Very interesting, thanx Johnney!

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If Adam and Eve started just 4000 years ago then how many should be alive today. Or, conversely, what is the growth rate for the population to go from 3 to 7.1 Billion in 4000 years. How long does it then take to double the existing population at any time (on average) ?? Are these believable numbers ??


It is well known how to calculate this--I think that you all should try it too while we are discussing the Mathematics of population-related numbers.

Let's see:

If Adam and Eve started just 4000 years ago then how many should be alive today. Or, conversely, what is the growth rate for the population to go from 3 to 7.1 Billion in 4000 years. How long does it then take to double the existing population at any time (on average) ?? Are these believable numbers ??


It is well known how to calculate this--I think that you all should try it too while we are discussing the Mathematics of population-related numbers.

Daddio,
You missed reading one of my earlier posts in this thread. I answered this question for you already!

Daddio, firstly, I said the rough Biblical date for the creation of Adam and Eve is "4000 BC", not "4000 years ago". The date is 4000 years, BC, that's "Before Christ". So its 6000 years ago from today, roughly, that the Bible would suggest Adam and Eve were created!.

Here is the answer to you question; How fast can you get from 2 people, Adam and Eve, to the 7 billion people that are alive today.
Answer; You can get from 2 people to 7 billion people, quite easily in just 33 generations. That is, on average, roughly about 1,100 years. So in theory Adam and Eve could, theoretically have existed as recently as the year 900 AD. But as I have said, the Bible suggests Adam and Eve were created in the year 4000 BC, that is 6000 years ago from today, roughly. There was plenty of time using the Biblical date of 6000 years ago to get to the 7 billion people alive today!

Here are the maths I posted in an earlier message Daddio;

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Realistic way to get from 2 people to 7 billion people
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Couples averaging 6 children,
loosing 1 child to sickness,
Loosing 1 teenager/adult to premature death, or choosing not to reproduce,
Total reproducing children = 4 per generation.
So we only count the children that go on to reproduce = 4


Simply put, this is the population doubling every single generation.


Generation 1 = 2 - Adam & Eve
Generation 2 = 4 - They must pair off as 2 couples. 1 couple can produce 4, so 2 couples can produce 2 x 4 = 8
Generation 3 = 8 - They must pair off as 4 couples. 1 couple can produce 4, so 4 couples can produce 4 x 4 = 16
Generation 4 = 16 - They must pair off as 8 couples. 1 couple can produce 4, so 8 couples can produce 8 x 4 = 32
Generation 5 = 32 - They must pair off as 16 couples. 1 couple can produce 4, so 16 couples can produce 16 x 4 = 64
Generation 6 = 64 - They must pair off as 32 couples. 1 couple can produce 4, so 32 couples can produce 32 x 4 = 128
Generation 7 = 128 - They must pair off as 64 couples. 1 couple can produce 4, so 64 couples can produce 64 x 4 = 256
Generation 8 = 256
Generation 9 = 512
Generation 10 = 1,024
Generation 11 = 2,048
Generation 12 = 4,096
Generation 13 = 8,192
Generation 14 = 16,384
Generation 15 = 32,768
Generation 16 = 65,536
Generation 17 = 131,072
Generation 18 = 262,144
Generation 19 = 524,288
Generation 20 = 1,048,576
Generation 21 = 2,097,152
Generation 22 = 4,194,304
Generation 23 = 8,388,608
Generation 24 = 16,777,216
Generation 25 = 33,554,432
Generation 26 = 67,108,864
Generation 27 = 134,217,728
Generation 28 = 268,435,456
Generation 29 = 536,870,912
Generation 30 = 1,073,741,824
Generation 31 = 2,147,483,648
Generation 32 = 4,294,967,296
Generation 33 = 8,589,934,592

The Answer; You can get from 2 people to 7 billion in just 33 generations quite easily!!! And 33 generations back, as you can see from the first post in this thread is roughly about 900 AD.

John.

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That by the bible saying that a generation is 40 years. In 1910 or around that time the average age of life was 40 years. And I think that was inflated a bit. How many babys and mother died at child birth.
Yes there was a staedy increase in population all through history. But when medical and disease prevention along with better nutrition kicked in during the early 1900's that when populations all over the world really ramped up.

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Old James

Nice work there Johnny. If you take 6000 years as the start of humankind and divide it by the 40 year generation cycle you get 150 generations. Now if the population only doubled each generation then you would erroneously conclude that there should be:

1,430,000,000,000,000,000,0000,000,000,000,000,000,000,0000 people alive today

Since people in the past had large families then the number should be much higher.

Can you help me with this discrepancy ??

Nice work there Johnny. If you take 6000 years as the start of humankind and divide it by the 40 year generation cycle you get 150 generations. Now if the population only doubled each generation then you would erroneously conclude that there should be:

1,430,000,000,000,000,000,0000,000,000,000,000,000,000,0000 people alive today

Since people in the past had large families then the number should be much higher.

Can you help me with this discrepancy ??

Daddio,
Yes, I can account for the discrepancy, so stay with me here, this is complex to explain!

Ok, so if your following what is happening here with our very simple maths, we have figured out that the Biblical date for the creation of Adam and Eve is actually very very realistic! Its not only possible for an Adam and Eve to have existed 6000 years ago, but the date is so realistic, that Adam and Eve could theoretically have existed more recently, as recently as 1100 years ago, shocking!. So really what we have to do is find out why there isn't trillions of people alive today instead of the 7 billion we know are alive today.

To get the answer Daddio, we have to investigate the "Biblical Timeline" to see what the Bible actually says. And, believe it or not, the Bible gives you a perfect timeline from Adam and Eve, right through to Jesus. The Bible is full to the brim with timelines and Genealogy!

You could download this poster. It shows you the full and complete genealogy from Adam and Eve right through to Jesus;
Mapping God's Bloodline, The Genealogy from Adam and Eve, through to Jesus;
http://soulliberty.com/Images/Content/BibleGenesRev1.jpg

Daddio, download this poster to your computer and study it, its very cool!
Timeline Of The Bible Poster;
http://www.oyangudi.com/images/TimelineOfTheBible.jpg

Daddio, to investigate this, your have to give the Bible the "Benefit of the Doubt" . That means just go with the flow just to see what does the Bible actually say about the timeline of human history!

The Timeline Of The Bible Poster is a graphical representation of the extremely long lives of the Biblical Patriarchs. The Bible "claims" that Adam lived for 930 years, and his son Seth lived 912 years, and his son Enos lived for 905 years, and his son Cainan lived for 910 years, and so on, and so on. And believe it or not, if you go rooting through the whole bible, it gives a full and complete genealogy the whole way through to Jesus, 73 generations after the birth of Adam and Eve. And if you spend some time at it, you can chain together all the genealogy and get the full descendancy chart from Adam and Eve through to Jesus. You can see this in the "Mapping God's Bloodline" poster,(I gave you the link above).

Anyway, the Timeline Of The Bible Poster shows you that only the first 25 generations or so of the Biblical Patriarchs live these extremely long lives that come close to almost a thousand years. And you can see from the poster that, as time goes forward, peoples lives start getting shorter!! Especially after the Biblical Flood, then peoples lives really do start getting much shorter!

From the Timeline Of The Bible Poster, peoples ages are still very long and don't normalise until we get to about 1,100 BC with Saul, David (King David) and Solomon. King David seems to have lived to about 70 years of age, a normal lifespan! King David died around 1,000 BC.

Jacob (Israel) lived till he was at least 147 years old.

Moses lives to 120 years of age.

So MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, we are roughly looking at 25 to 30 generations
for the first 3,000 years of human history, or so the Bible claims!

So Daddio, that automatically halves the human history timeline. It means that for the 6000 years total timeline, there are only roughly about 25 to 30 generations for the first 3,000 years, until the extremely long lifespans of the Biblical Patriarchs normalise. Then you can start counting normal generation cycles for the rest of the generations. So for the remaining 3000 years through to today, you can just use the 30 year average between generations.

So......

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If every single successive generation of women have children at 30 years of age from Moses onward;
@30 years of age;
Every 100 years = 3.333 generations
Every 1,000 years = 33.333 generations
So in the first 3,000 years = 25 generations
Plus
3,000 years of 30 year olds = 100 generations
So in 6,000 years = 125 generations

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And if you throw in the wars, and the plague's and the famines that happened through out human history, that easily accounts for the 6000 years from Adam and Eve, through to the 7 billion people alive today!

John.

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