Please go to the Staff Blog Message Board and read Eric's very important message about Net Neutrality.

John Oliver gives a hilarious, but informative speech on this topic.

Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Net Neutrality (HBO)

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Reality Internet Personality

If "net neutrality" goes away it shouldn't affect distributive computing as it takes very little bandwidth to each computer. It is the streaming video that will be hit the hardest.

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If "net neutrality" goes away it shouldn't affect distributive computing as it takes very little bandwidth to each computer. It is the streaming video that will be hit the hardest.

At our end maybe. What will happen at seti's end?

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Reality Internet Personality

If "net neutrality" goes away it shouldn't affect distributive computing as it takes very little bandwidth to each computer. It is the streaming video that will be hit the hardest.

At our end maybe. What will happen at seti's end?

No problem as each computer is on a different circuit. It is Netflix and Youtube that use massive amounts of bandwidth. SETI and such use massive amounts of computing power but miniscule bandwidth. Things like email and forums like this will not notice anything.

I watched the Youtube video you posted a link for. That used 150 mega bytes in 720p. An Astropluse WU is about 2 mega bytes if I recall correctly down to me. Much less back to SETI. A rough estimate is 140 AP WU equals one Youtube video.

Speeds can vary with little effect on data as it can wait. Streaming video if it has to wait makes for stop and start viewing.

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Please go to the Staff Blog Message Board and read Eric's very important message about Net Neutrality.

Thank you Angela,

I think ... SETI@home is the scientific experiment that most excites the imagination of people worldwide.

Best Wishes
Byron

If "net neutrality" goes away it shouldn't affect distributive computing as it takes very little bandwidth to each computer. It is the streaming video that will be hit the hardest.

At our end maybe. What will happen at seti's end?

No problem as each computer is on a different circuit. It is Netflix and Youtube that use massive amounts of bandwidth. SETI and such use massive amounts of computing power but miniscule bandwidth. Things like email and forums like this will not notice anything.

I watched the Youtube video you posted a link for. That used 150 mega bytes in 720p. An Astropluse WU is about 2 mega bytes if I recall correctly down to me. Much less back to SETI. A rough estimate is 140 AP WU equals one Youtube video.

Speeds can vary with little effect on data as it can wait. Streaming video if it has to wait makes for stop and start viewing.

and how many people are trying crunching for seti@home trying to upload and download?

and can we honestly say that just because that is how much data seti is uploading and downloading now, will that always be the case?

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Reality Internet Personality

If "net neutrality" goes away it shouldn't affect distributive computing as it takes very little bandwidth to each computer. It is the streaming video that will be hit the hardest.

At our end maybe. What will happen at seti's end?

No problem as each computer is on a different circuit. It is Netflix and Youtube that use massive amounts of bandwidth. SETI and such use massive amounts of computing power but miniscule bandwidth. Things like email and forums like this will not notice anything.

I watched the Youtube video you posted a link for. That used 150 mega bytes in 720p. An Astropluse WU is about 2 mega bytes if I recall correctly down to me. Much less back to SETI. A rough estimate is 140 AP WU equals one Youtube video.

Speeds can vary with little effect on data as it can wait. Streaming video if it has to wait makes for stop and start viewing.

and how many people are trying crunching for seti@home trying to upload and download?

and can we honestly say that just because that is how much data seti is uploading and downloading now, will that always be the case?

Time Warner dose'nt have a download limit. Comcast wants to buy them. They do have DL limits.
So guess waht will happen if they do buy TW?

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Old James

LOOKS like it might be time to dust off the old sneakernet idea

once upon a time long ago there was no internet and dial up was all that was available.

so people set up bulletin boards and some of these were interconnected for contact outside your local area code.

fast forward to today lots of people have wireless in their homes.

with suitable software and firmware it should be possible to dedicate a portion

of all the wireless router bandwidth to a distributive network that bypasses the

internet entirely.

can't throttle what you do not control.

this would work for at least local communication and at least some of the

distance communication could go through pay for or free bulletin boards like the old sneakernet.

i realize that this is at best only a partial solution but a distributive

network could stop a lot of the abuse by government and common carriers.

something to think about at least.

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Even if Seti@home isn't affected by the disappearance of Net Neutrality, its still something we should fight to protect. If Net Neutrality disappears, it means that once again the government favors the corporations over the backs of the consumers. It means the internet as we know it can be effectively killed by corporations because they simply strangle whatever site or internet service they don't like out of existence. And if you want to get really dystopian, what is there to stop these corporations from politicizing their service by promoting internet speeds to sites with a political message they like while making internet sites with an opinion they don't like almost inaccessible?

It also completely removes their incentive to keep investing in upgrading their network infrastructure so to make it faster and better for everyone, and instead redistribute the existing speeds so poor people get slower internet than rich people without them having to upgrade their networks.

You people don't have a clue about how this works. Post your numbers as I did.

How will you promote competition? Each ISP would have to run a wire to the premises. Is this what you want?


If the world doesn't like this build your own system and fund it. Then I'll post and whine and moan on your dime.

Ma Bell is dead and yet the people weep.

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Ya know, you're such an amazingly funny guy, it's no wonder nobody takes you seriously.
And you have the balls to comment on MY posting style and opinions?

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

Ya know, you're such an amazingly funny guy, it's no wonder nobody takes you seriously.

This is my area of expertise. I built the Bell System, the greatest communication company the world has ever known. Remember Bell Labs? The people drank the Kool-Aid poured by MCI that they could do it cheaper and better if Ma Bell were dead.

Anyway if this "fast lane" passes it will only affect your ability to watch free dancing cat videos because Netflix bought more bandwidth. It will not noticeably affect anything but streaming video.

Is this a grab for control of the Wide World of the Web? Of course it is.
Ma Bell is dead and yet the people weep.

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You Yanks. Haven't you just announced that corporations are people? As the "sub-prime" disaster has proven, people are inherently greedy!

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You Yanks. Haven't you just announced that corporations are people? As the "sub-prime" disaster has proven, people are inherently greedy!

Yup....and the politicians are all too happy to acquiesce, after the corporations fill their pockets with money.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

You Yanks. Haven't you just announced that corporations are people? As the "sub-prime" disaster has proven, people are inherently greedy!

Yup....and the politicians are all too happy to acquiesce, after the corporations fill their pockets with money.

Yep, & we're too civilised to put them up against a wall...

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You Yanks. Haven't you just announced that corporations are people? As the "sub-prime" disaster has proven, people are inherently greedy!

Yup....and the politicians are all too happy to acquiesce, after the corporations fill their pockets with money.

Yep, & we're too civilised to put them up against a wall...

I suspect that time is coming.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

Ya know, you're such an amazingly funny guy, it's no wonder nobody takes you seriously.

This is my area of expertise. I built the Bell System, the greatest communication company the world has ever known. Remember Bell Labs? The people drank the Kool-Aid poured by MCI that they could do it cheaper and better if Ma Bell were dead.

Anyway if this "fast lane" passes it will only affect your ability to watch free dancing cat videos because Netflix bought more bandwidth. It will not noticeably affect anything but streaming video.

Is this a grab for control of the Wide World of the Web? Of course it is.
Ma Bell is dead and yet the people weep.

I think you are suffering from lack of imagination. Cat videos today..but who knows how we will be using the web 5 years from now.

I bought a phone last thinking that because I could check email on wi-fi with it it would cover all my needs.

Now suddenly you can do deposit cheques using your phone camera or scan barcodes or all sort of the useful things that my stupid phone simply can't do. I suffered from a fatal lack of imagination and now am stuck with a phone that is so slow its not worth me getting a mobile data plan for. Which means that because our school district hasn't put wi-fi in my classroom I have to occasionally piggy back the wi-fi on my student's phones if I need to download something that might be useful to the lesson.

So let's talk about this streaming cats business. I don't stream videos of cats in my classroom. I stream videos of experiments, because the school district is so underfunded we don't have any lab equipment. The students doing the online classes stream instructional videos.

Again, you are suffering from a lack of imagination if you think that everyone not only uses the internet the way you do, but that they always will.

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Reality Internet Personality

Not in our lifetime Mark.

For the past 30 years, politicians have done more damage to their countries than any war has ever done.

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And the internet is becoming more indispensable every day. For example, our company no longer sends hard copies of our paychecks by mail. You have to get them via the internet.
Commerce could also be rudely awakened if folks start to lose patience waiting a long time to complete a transaction online.

And, of course....streaming kitty videos for all!!!

The internet must remain equally accessible to all, not a system of haves and have nots.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster