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Message 1537270 - Posted: 7 Jul 2014, 11:44:45 UTC

After playing with my "other" gpu's it occurred to me that I could get some use out of the gpu in my Netbook plus. Its a AMD dual core C-60. The cpu scores in windows experience are un-impressive. But the GPU is quite muscular.

So my goal was/is to set it up basically as a gpu only system. Here is the start up info:
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7/7/2014 5:38:05 AM | | cc_config.xml not found - using defaults
7/7/2014 5:38:07 AM | | Starting BOINC client version 7.2.42 for windows_x86_64
7/7/2014 5:38:07 AM | | log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task
7/7/2014 5:38:07 AM | | Libraries: libcurl/7.25.0 OpenSSL/1.0.1 zlib/1.2.6
7/7/2014 5:38:07 AM | | Data directory: C:\ProgramData\BOINC
7/7/2014 5:38:07 AM | | Running under account Professor
7/7/2014 5:38:07 AM | | CAL: ATI GPU 0: AMD Radeon HD 6200/6300/7200/7300 series (Wrestler) (CAL version 1.4.1417, 256MB, 223MB available, 88 GFLOPS peak)
7/7/2014 5:38:07 AM | | OpenCL: AMD/ATI GPU 0: AMD Radeon HD 6200/6300/7200/7300 series (Wrestler) (driver version CAL 1.4.1417 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.1 AMD-APP-SDK-v2.4 (650.9), 256MB, 223MB available, 88 GFLOPS peak)
7/7/2014 5:38:07 AM | | OpenCL CPU: AMD C-60 APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics (OpenCL driver vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc., driver version 2.0, device version OpenCL 1.1 AMD-APP-SDK-v2.4 (650.9))
7/7/2014 5:38:07 AM | | Creating new client state file
7/7/2014 5:38:07 AM | | Host name: Galens-Computer
7/7/2014 5:38:07 AM | | Processor: 2 AuthenticAMD AMD C-60 APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics [Family 20 Model 2 Stepping 0]
7/7/2014 5:38:07 AM | | Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 htt pni ssse3 cx16 popcnt syscall nx lm svm sse4a ibs skinit wdt page1gb rdtscp
7/7/2014 5:38:07 AM | | OS: Microsoft Windows 7: Home Premium x64 Edition, Service Pack 1, (06.01.7601.00)
7/7/2014 5:38:07 AM | | Memory: 3.73 GB physical, 7.46 GB virtual
7/7/2014 5:38:07 AM | | Disk: 284.99 GB total, 206.54 GB free
7/7/2014 5:38:07 AM | | Local time is UTC -5 hours
7/7/2014 5:38:07 AM | | No general preferences found - using defaults
7/7/2014 5:38:07 AM | | Preferences:
7/7/2014 5:38:07 AM | | max memory usage when active: 1909.45MB
7/7/2014 5:38:07 AM | | max memory usage when idle: 3437.01MB
7/7/2014 5:38:07 AM | | max disk usage: 206.44GB
7/7/2014 5:38:07 AM | | don't use GPU while active
7/7/2014 5:38:07 AM | | suspend work if non-BOINC CPU load exceeds 25%
7/7/2014 5:38:07 AM | | (to change preferences, visit a project web site or select Preferences in the Manager)
7/7/2014 5:38:07 AM | | Not using a proxy
7/7/2014 5:38:07 AM | | This computer is not attached to any projects
7/7/2014 5:38:07 AM | | Visit http://boinc.berkeley.edu for instructions
7/7/2014 5:39:24 AM | | Suspending GPU computation - computer is in use
7/7/2014 5:39:34 AM | | Suspending computation - CPU is busy
7/7/2014 5:41:12 AM | | Fetching configuration file from http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/get_project_config.php
7/7/2014 5:41:35 AM | | Resuming computation
7/7/2014 5:41:40 AM | | Running CPU benchmarks
7/7/2014 5:41:40 AM | | Suspending computation - CPU benchmarks in progress
7/7/2014 5:42:11 AM | | Benchmark results:
7/7/2014 5:42:11 AM | | Number of CPUs: 2
7/7/2014 5:42:11 AM | | 955 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
7/7/2014 5:42:11 AM | | 1987 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU
7/7/2014 5:42:17 AM | SETI@home | Master file download succeeded
7/7/2014 5:42:23 AM | SETI@home | Sending scheduler request: Project initialization.
7/7/2014 5:42:23 AM | SETI@home | Requesting new tasks for CPU and ATI
7/7/2014 5:42:25 AM | SETI@home | Scheduler request completed: got 1 new tasks
7/7/2014 5:42:25 AM | SETI@home | New computer location: home
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I have set the local preferences to 50% cpu of available cpus at upto 90% of the cpu processing power.

Trying to figure out if an ATI card will work/should work is very confusing. Given the above information can I get this thing to do gpu processing in Seti?

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Message 1537330 - Posted: 7 Jul 2014, 16:17:06 UTC - in response to Message 1537270.  

But the GPU is quite muscular.

Really?

It have:
Shader cores: 80
Base frequency (MHz): 276
Maximum frequency (MHz): 400

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Bobcat/AMD-C%20Series%20C-60.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_mobile_microprocessors#.22Ontario.22_.2840_nm.29


But it can work (slowly) if you increase the video RAM in BIOS ("256MB, 223MB available" is too small)
 


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Message 1537406 - Posted: 7 Jul 2014, 18:04:38 UTC - in response to Message 1537330.  

I agree. I should have qualified that "quite muscular" with (for a netbook). But while it has less memory than my GeForce 68000 GT it has a higher "megaflops" rating.

So I got busy a couple of minutes ago, changing the video to almost completly performance mode because a lunitics support thread note said 256 was doable but need to turn off the translucent stuff.

I may need to re-boot to free up the memory. Right now it doesn't look like it has decreased any.

What else will I have to do? My impression is once I pass some threshold which includes having a gpu that the Seti server process recognizes as supporting something beside the basic work unit, I should start getting some kind of gpu-base processing.

Let me re-boot and see if that helps the memory.

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Message 1537458 - Posted: 7 Jul 2014, 19:36:45 UTC

After re-booting with no increase in available memory and no ATI/gpu downloads, I went looking for/at the Lunatics install. They specifically had stuff that will work with ATI cards of high enough version.

Sure enough, I have 5 multi-beam data files downloaded. And the current estimated time to crunch is similar to my current estimated time to crunch on my other box that has a GeForce 6800 GT. Except I am doing 2 tasks on that one and only one on this netbook.

Patience will tell me if the estimated time to calculate is pretty reliable.

But now I have another problem. Prior to the Lunatic install my basic Seti work unit calc was estimating 12 hours (I told you the cpu wasn't particularly fast). After the "optimized" version was installed it is now giving me estimates of 50 hours. That is with both the ssse3 setup and after a re-install putting in the sse2. I have also switched to the plain version, I think, of the gpu application. Even though the docs seem to indicate that my Radeon HD 6290 integrated gpu should work "just fine". So far I can't really tell any differences.

"Tell will tell" literally, I guess.

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Message 1537498 - Posted: 7 Jul 2014, 20:43:27 UTC - in response to Message 1537458.  
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After re-booting with no increase in available memory and no ATI/gpu downloads, I went looking for/at the Lunatics install.

That's because your GPU hasn't got a new enough driver/APP runtime, by installing the Lunatics app's you're circumvented the driver requirement::

7/7/2014 5:38:07 AM | | CAL: ATI GPU 0: AMD Radeon HD 6200/6300/7200/7300 series (Wrestler) (CAL version 1.4.1417, 256MB, 223MB available, 88 GFLOPS peak)
7/7/2014 5:38:07 AM | | OpenCL: AMD/ATI GPU 0: AMD Radeon HD 6200/6300/7200/7300 series (Wrestler) (driver version CAL 1.4.1417 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.1 AMD-APP-SDK-v2.4 (650.9), 256MB, 223MB available, 88 GFLOPS peak)
7/7/2014 5:38:07 AM | | OpenCL CPU: AMD C-60 APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics (OpenCL driver vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc., driver version 2.0, device version OpenCL 1.1 AMD-APP-SDK-v2.4 (650.9))

For the Seti v7 app is work correctly you need a driver/APP runtime of at least 1.4.1646 and AMD-APP-SDK-v2.6

ATI Driver Version Cheat Sheet

Your AMD GPU Seti v7 tasks will most likely all be inconclusive/invalid.

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Message 1537602 - Posted: 7 Jul 2014, 22:55:45 UTC
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Ok, that is what I needed to know. Seeing if ATI has a later driver set (downloading something now). Acer doesn't. If I can't get up to the minimum then it will be a complete waste of computer time. I have stopped accepting new work while I fiddle with this.

I have another question. About the amount of "cpu" per "gpu". I have examples of running as little as "0.04" I think in the app_config.xml file. Does anyone have some empirical evidence about "what size" for the stock Seti as well as for the Lunatic setup I should be using. If I read the Lunatic docs right they want 1 cpu for each 1 gpu.

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Message 1537658 - Posted: 8 Jul 2014, 0:24:49 UTC

I think I now have drivers above the minimums. Yes/no?

7/7/2014 7:11:00 PM | | cc_config.xml not found - using defaults
7/7/2014 7:11:00 PM | | Starting BOINC client version 7.2.42 for windows_x86_64
7/7/2014 7:11:00 PM | | log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task
7/7/2014 7:11:00 PM | | Libraries: libcurl/7.25.0 OpenSSL/1.0.1 zlib/1.2.6
7/7/2014 7:11:00 PM | | Data directory: C:\ProgramData\BOINC
7/7/2014 7:11:00 PM | | Running under account Professor

7/7/2014 7:11:00 PM | | CAL: ATI GPU 0: AMD Radeon HD 6200/6300/7200/7300 series (Wrestler) (CAL version 1.4.1848, 256MB, 223MB available, 88 GFLOPS peak)
7/7/2014 7:11:00 PM | | OpenCL: AMD/ATI GPU 0: AMD Radeon HD 6200/6300/7200/7300 series (Wrestler) (driver version 1445.5 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1445.5), 256MB, 223MB available, 88 GFLOPS peak)
7/7/2014 7:11:00 PM | | OpenCL CPU: AMD C-60 APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics (OpenCL driver vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc., driver version 1445.5 (sse2), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1445.5))


7/7/2014 7:11:00 PM | SETI@home | Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platform
7/7/2014 7:11:00 PM | | Host name: Galens-Computer
7/7/2014 7:11:00 PM | | Processor: 2 AuthenticAMD AMD C-60 APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics [Family 20 Model 2 Stepping 0]
7/7/2014 7:11:00 PM | | Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 htt pni ssse3 cx16 popcnt syscall nx lm svm sse4a ibs skinit wdt page1gb rdtscp
7/7/2014 7:11:00 PM | | OS: Microsoft Windows 7: Home Premium x64 Edition, Service Pack 1, (06.01.7601.00)
7/7/2014 7:11:00 PM | | Memory: 3.73 GB physical, 7.46 GB virtual

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Message 1537767 - Posted: 8 Jul 2014, 4:19:16 UTC - in response to Message 1537658.  

That driver and APP runtime is O.K,

The next step is you're going to have to delete the apps compilations, they were done on the incompatible driver,

These are a number of files in your project directory ending in .bin , .bin_v7 and .wisdom, suspend Boinc usage, delete them then resume Boinc usage, they'll be regenated by the new APP runtime.

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Message 1538025 - Posted: 8 Jul 2014, 15:37:12 UTC - in response to Message 1537406.  

So I got busy a couple of minutes ago, changing the video to almost completly performance mode ...

I may need to re-boot to free up the memory. Right now it doesn't look like it has decreased any.

I don't think you can increase the RAM allocated to video in Windows

You have to increase the video RAM in the BIOS
https://www.google.com/#q=increase+video+RAM+in+BIOS
 


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Message 1538106 - Posted: 8 Jul 2014, 21:28:08 UTC

As far as I can tell on the Acer version of the bios you can't change the amount of ram for the graphics adaptor.

I suspended the "get new work units" on the Acer and ran all the units out. Got "several" compute failed which I now believe was due to my successful update of the assorted drivers on the Radeon part of the APU.

Removed seti project. Un-installed bonic. Then logged on as my "regular userid" and re-installed the Bonic client. Used that to join Seti.

The client cheerfully downloaded 1 basic work unit and 1 GPU unit and has been happily munching on them ever since.

Found a discussion about "starving gpus" by not giving them enough cpu access. Have applied it to my main box that has gpus and they came up happy. Will see if they are happier.

Here is the posted app_config.xml

<app_config>
<app>
<name>setiathome_v7</name>
<gpu_versions>
<gpu_usage>0.49</gpu_usage>
<cpu_usage>0.19</cpu_usage>
</gpu_versions>
</app>
<app>
<name>astropulse_v6</name>
<gpu_versions>
<gpu_usage>0.51</gpu_usage>
<cpu_usage>1.1</cpu_usage>
</gpu_versions>
</app>
</app_config>

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Message 1538116 - Posted: 8 Jul 2014, 21:59:13 UTC

first, tidy up your app_config file - that GPU is going to struggle to run anything more than one task, so set gpu_useage to 1.0 for both task types. I think you have the cpu setting for setiathome_v7 about right, but that for astropulse_v6 looks strange, try 1.0
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Message 1538129 - Posted: 8 Jul 2014, 22:32:49 UTC
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I agree the Astropulse setting looks strange. But that is what the person set it for. He was quite specific in his postings about getting enough CPU time to keep the GPU from being starved.

It all goes back to the issue of just exactly how do the CPU and the GPU interact? There is supposed to be some more information in the text files they are shipping out. I just have to find it.

Your right. After I posted this and was adding it to Aspire I decided that I didn't want it trying to do any GPU in parallel so I changed the setiathome gpu to 1.0. Even after I get a solid baseline I still am not confident I will want to try for two :)

Thanks for the comments, Bob.

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Message 1539066 - Posted: 10 Jul 2014, 10:00:35 UTC - in response to Message 1538116.  

... but that for astropulse_v6 looks strange, try 1.0

1.0 and 1.1 will practically have the same effect (BOINC will free 1 core per running AstroPulse GPU task in both cases)
Unless you run 10 AstroPulse GPU tasks in which case <cpu_usage>1.1</cpu_usage> will free 11 cores (instead of 10 with 1.0)
("free 1 core" = run 1 less CPU task)

If you run 9 AstroPulse GPU tasks: 9 * 1.1 = 9.9 which is truncated to 9 (BOINC will free 9 cores (if they exist))
 


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Message 1542587 - Posted: 16 Jul 2014, 13:57:25 UTC

This is really about the: "..AstroPulse Brook+ (also known as HybridAP) application is intended to process SETI@home AstroPulse v6 tasks on AMD/ATi HD2xxx, HD3xxx and pre-APU onboard ATi GPUs..."

In the context of my netbook. It is a C-60 with Radeon in some listings. And the Radeon 6290 only has 256 MB ram which cannot (at least with the stock bios) be increased.

So while I theoretically "exceed" what AstroPulse Brook+ was aimed at it seems to me that given that I am running the baseline cpu version of Astropluse 6.01 (I think) is Astropulse Brook+ a reasonable substitute?

A related, important, question is can I use the Lunatic installer to install this part of the way through two copies of the data being processed and not lose about 180 hours of elapsed time already invested? That was the reason I was reluctant to play with the Lunatic installer again until after they get done processing. For a while it looked like they would get done by yesterday (Tuesday). Now I think they are going to take a couple more weeks.

Is it possible to use the Lunatic installer to only install this? I remember a lot of choices being offered.

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Message 1542790 - Posted: 16 Jul 2014, 21:16:28 UTC - in response to Message 1542587.  

Brook+ app is slow, it is named also as Hybrid as it do only ~ 20% of computing on the GPU and the rest 80% on the CPU (so since you have OpenCL GPU no point to use Hybrid AP)

What you can do safely - edit app_config.xml to run only one AstroPulse task (and the 2 tasks will be finished one after another).
(better exit BOINC, edit, start BOINC)

This APU is too weak to run 2 - that is the reason for so long running time (the 2 apps/tasks fight for GPU/RAM).
 


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Message 1545851 - Posted: 22 Jul 2014, 13:42:24 UTC - in response to Message 1542790.  
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Sorry, my ignorance here.

The AstroPulse's I saw running were running on the cpu not the gpu. The app_config.xml file appears to only effect how the gpu is used, not the cpu's. Unless I am missing a parameter.

Ok, will not set it up for the Hybrid.

I did discover after watching the Gpu graphs for a while that my gpu was very, very spikey using the Lunatics install. I tried varying parameters in the app_config.xml but since I don't have much understanding of the app_info.xml file I didn't try anything there.

I then back-graded to the stock Seti using the un-install app. And discovered it is spikey there too. (But not nearly as much) Even if I am running 2 cpus for 1 gpu it shows "spikey" load behavior. Backed it down to 1 cpu to 1 gpu. My current guess is it is a memory limitation. I have now turned off almost all of my graphics in Windows. But the problem didn't go away even with windows set for "performance".

I am wondering if I use the command line to force the "buffer" size down to 156MB like some of the doc proposes for running 3 instances in the gpu if it would help? (Still running only 1 instance). Then it would have a static buffer size and might not have to be fighting dynamically about the buffer memory.

No -hp doesn't help. Just makes the gui jumpier.

I am pretty confident that is a memory size of the gpu issue. This gpu has more shaders than my G210 cards do but they have a lot more memory!

So if you can guess, what parameters can we tinker with to allow it more "space" to work in.

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Message 1545868 - Posted: 22 Jul 2014, 13:55:52 UTC - in response to Message 1545851.  
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The AstroPulse's I saw running were running on the cpu not the gpu.

wow wow wow - I didn't check you run stock CPU AstroPulse ???
It is the slowest app in existence here - uses only FPU - no any SIMD
The Lunatics CPU AstroPulse is maybe 3-4 times faster


For "parameters" - ask Raistmer (if he have time) (do not write to long a PM)
1) he is the developer
2) he owns the same CPU
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Message 1548616 - Posted: 27 Jul 2014, 20:02:04 UTC

Thank you. I went to his link and it looks like he is running nothing but Astropulse on his C-60.

And a bunch are in process. I want to wait on that to see how it comes out.

And he also has an A-10 5700 that he clearly has got setup right (it has a bunch of results!).

I have posted a baseline setup that I am now running (in the Windows thread on C-50/C-60) with stock Seti that is allowing the netbook to get along with both Seti and me (or is that Seti and I?). It doesn't include any Astropulse. But it is processing multi-beam GPU tasks half way decently by devoting a full-time cpu to the care and feeding of the gpu. This shorts my basic Seti wu because I have also turned down the allowed cpu's to allow me to work on the netbook while it is running some seti stuff.

So my current setup suspends the GPU while I am on the netbook, allowing 1 baseline wu to process. And leaves one cpu devoted to my care and feeding while the other one either feeds the GPU or runs a baseline wu.

I appreciate the re-direct. I almost wish there was a way to search for computer systems and who "owns" them so we could more easily congregate together.
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