How come credits are granted so slow? I mean, about 2 weeks ago my credits got granted in a matter of days. My average credit was around 500. Now, my credits don't get granted that quick. I mean, my average credit is only about 360...!! Any ideas? I know seti must get 3 results for them to get granted, but my one week old computer has around 40 results pending, and it only got around 10 results granted... Plz give me some answers...

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> How come credits are granted so slow? I mean, about 2 weeks ago my credits got
> granted in a matter of days. My average credit was around 500. Now, my credits
> don't get granted that quick. I mean, my average credit is only about 360...!!
> Any ideas? I know seti must get 3 results for them to get granted, but my one
> week old computer has around 40 results pending, and it only got around 10
> results granted... Plz give me some answers...

Credits are granted almost immediately if - and only if - three nearly identical results were returned (you already know that). I too have pending results dating back 4 or more weeks. Recently I found a lot of host caching dozens or even hundreds of WUs, most of them are never returned within the deadline (Boinc error??). You have to wait until the deadline is reached, the WUs are resent and returned back. In some cases this could take several weeks. Pending credits that are 1 week old is nothing to be worried about. Sooner or later you get your credits, they are not lost. Beeing patient is the only thing you can do, once your credits are granted your RAC raises to heaven :-)

scsimodo

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It's the price paid for distributed computing. Some user's will be real diligent about setting up and monitoring their systems and other's won't. There are always the "jump into it" types that lose interest and "bog" the system down. But, at least it still gives nearly everyone with a computer and an Internet connection a chance to participate.

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>Credits are granted almost immediately if - and only if - three nearly identical results were returned (you already know that).
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Hello,

I think the don't like me or want to reflect my avatar. ;-)

http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/workunit.php?wuid=6010907
http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/workunit.php?wuid=6010896
http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/workunit.php?wuid=6407163

Greetings
Screbilde

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"The FUTURE is only a PARTICLE away from the PRESENT and the PAST."

> Credits are granted almost immediately if - and only if - three nearly
> identical results were returned (you already know that). I too have pending
> results dating back 4 or more weeks. Recently I found a lot of host caching
> dozens or even hundreds of WUs, most of them are never returned within the
> deadline (Boinc error??). You have to wait until the deadline is reached, the
> WUs are resent and returned back. In some cases this could take several weeks.
> Pending credits that are 1 week old is nothing to be worried about. Sooner or
> later you get your credits, they are not lost. Beeing patient is the only
> thing you can do, once your credits are granted your RAC raises to heaven :-)
>
> scsimodo
>
ACTUALLY this USED to be true....Berkeley has started a new policy where those of us with machiens that return a unit consistently within 24 hours get those resent workunits and crunch them. That way 2 weeks and 1 day is the "new" maximum. It will take a while to get thru all of the old ones! We are slowly crunching them though. I have several units that are a month or so old that are now getting credit because of this. I am also crunching some units in this manner. I have several machines that can crunch and return a unit in under 1 day.

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> http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/workunit.php?wuid=6010907
> http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/workunit.php?wuid=6010896
> http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/workunit.php?wuid=6407163
>

Screbilde,

If you check these you will find that they all have the validate state "Checked, but no consensus yet".

If we think of the results returned as A, B and C...then A != B, A != C, and B != C.

So none of the pairs of WUs is a "close enough" match to be validated...thus the system passes out another copy to another host, hoping the new D will match A, B or C.

> Screbilde,
>
> If you check these you will find that they all have the validate state
> "Checked, but no consensus yet".
>
> If we think of the results returned as A, B and C...then A != B, A != C, and
> B != C.
>
> So none of the pairs of WUs is a "close enough" match to be validated...thus
> the system passes out another copy to another host, hoping the new D will
> match A, B or C.
>
Thx for the enlightening this clears things up.

Greetz
Screbilde

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"The FUTURE is only a PARTICLE away from the PRESENT and the PAST."

> ACTUALLY this USED to be true....Berkeley has started a new policy where those
> of us with machiens that return a unit consistently within 24 hours get those
> resent workunits and crunch them. That way 2 weeks and 1 day is the "new"
> maximum. It will take a while to get thru all of the old ones! We are slowly
> crunching them though. I have several units that are a month or so old that
> are now getting credit because of this. I am also crunching some units in this
> manner. I have several machines that can crunch and return a unit in under 1
> day.
>
>

Since this isn't done programmed yet, you can still be re-distributed to another user with too big cache-setting.

Also, even when it's implemented, it's nothing that guarantees the fast-turnaround-computer not suddenly goes up in flames or something so again must wait 14 days, but in most cases re-issues should be distributed much faster.


BTW, because of the new priority-scheme, depending on how much re-issued wu is bumped-up in priority, it's possible some "high-priority"-wu is being sent-out before the re-issued, so can take days/weeks from even be sent-out again. In seti this shouldn't really be an issue, since wu is more or less randomly distributed with 5+ years between record-time anyway, so none should be "high-priority". In other projects on the other hand this very likely can be an issue.

but my one week old computer has around 40 results pending
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Thats really not that many WU's to have pending Roks for 1 Computer, I have several Computers that have 75-80 Pending WU's on each one of them ...

> but my one week old computer has around 40 results pending
> ==========
>
> Thats really not that many WU's to have pending Roks for 1 Computer, I have
> several Computers that have 75-80 Pending WU's on each one of them ...
>
70 results in 1 week??? What kind of a machine do you have anyway?

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> > but my one week old computer has around 40 results pending
> > ==========
> >
> > Thats really not that many WU's to have pending Roks for 1 Computer, I
> have
> > several Computers that have 75-80 Pending WU's on each one of them ...
> >
> 70 results in 1 week??? What kind of a machine do you have anyway?
>

Check this host out. It returned 28 wus on the 23rd. I think that Richard Smiths 850 Opteron does 50 per day (the maximum allowed currently) ;-)

Dunc

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> > but my one week old computer has around 40 results pending
> > ==========
> >
> > Thats really not that many WU's to have pending Roks for 1 Computer, I
> have
> > several Computers that have 75-80 Pending WU's on each one of them ...
> >
> 70 results in 1 week??? What kind of a machine do you have anyway?
>
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I said I had 75-80 Pending results on each of 2 different PC's, I never said it took them only a week to get that many, but any one of my computers is capable of putting out between 100-140 WU's each week.

I only run 7 Computers with my RAC hovering around 4,000 so each one of the 7 PC's have to be putting out a lot of WU's in order to get that high a RAC ... :)

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OK, but my PC has only 1 CPU... So your best computer has 4 CPUs each with how much power?

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> OK, but my PC has only 1 CPU... So your best computer has 4 CPUs each with how
> much power?
>
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hahaha ... none of my Computers has 4 CPU's, they all only have 1 CPU ... Their all Intel P4's running in HT Mode with and average speed of 3.574Ghz ... :)

3.574Ghz
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PoorBoy!!!!!

> 3.574Ghz
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> PoorBoy!!!!!
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hehe ... Thats just the Average speed of my 7 Computers Ric ... :)

Poorboy I asked Dunc

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> OK, but my PC has only 1 CPU... So your best computer has 4 CPUs each with how
> much power?
>

It is a dual Xeon 3.0 (Nacona) with HT ;-)

Dunc

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