Some questions about BOINC for Android...

Message boards : Number crunching : Some questions about BOINC for Android...
Message board moderation

To post messages, you must log in.

1 · 2 · 3 · 4 · Next

AuthorMessage
Profile Link
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 18 Sep 03
Posts: 834
Credit: 1,807,369
RAC: 0
Germany
Message 1517364 - Posted: 17 May 2014, 8:40:56 UTC
Last modified: 17 May 2014, 8:46:25 UTC

So, I have something new to play with and I installed BOINC on it... seems to work OK so far, at least WUProp, SETI will see later, but I have some questions already:

1. Is there any posibility to tell BOINC not to stop crunching when I turn on the screen, i.e. something like "Suspend work while computer is in use?" -> no.

2. According to the Android FAQ BOINC won't download any work if not on WiFi. Any possibility to remove that silly limitation? Since this device is sometimes going to be used as a internet router for longer periods of time, this would be very annoing.

That would be everything for now, but I might find more annoing things later...


EDIT:

3. Network access like to "normal" BOINC clients possible, so if I want to see what it is doing, than I can check from another computer?
ID: 1517364 · Report as offensive
Profile Mike Special Project $75 donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 17 Feb 01
Posts: 34253
Credit: 79,922,639
RAC: 80
Germany
Message 1517365 - Posted: 17 May 2014, 8:48:27 UTC

Check this site.

http://nativeboinc.org/site/uncat/start


With each crime and every kindness we birth our future.
ID: 1517365 · Report as offensive
Claggy
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 5 Jul 99
Posts: 4654
Credit: 47,537,079
RAC: 4
United Kingdom
Message 1517369 - Posted: 17 May 2014, 9:14:53 UTC - in response to Message 1517364.  
Last modified: 17 May 2014, 9:25:37 UTC

So, I have something new to play with and I installed BOINC on it... seems to work OK so far, at least WUProp, SETI will see later, but I have some questions already:

1. Is there any posibility to tell BOINC not to stop crunching when I turn on the screen, i.e. something like "Suspend work while computer is in use?" -> no.

Yes, Go into preferences, untick 'Pause computation when screen is active'

2. According to the Android FAQ BOINC won't download any work if not on WiFi. Any possibility to remove that silly limitation? Since this device is sometimes going to be used as a internet router for longer periods of time, this would be very annoing.

Yes, Go into preferences, untick 'Transfer tasks on WiFi only'

That would be everything for now, but I might find more annoing things later...


EDIT:

3. Network access like to "normal" BOINC clients possible, so if I want to see what it is doing, than I can check from another computer?

Not at present, I think that is a work in progress.

Claggy
ID: 1517369 · Report as offensive
Profile Link
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 18 Sep 03
Posts: 834
Credit: 1,807,369
RAC: 0
Germany
Message 1517402 - Posted: 17 May 2014, 12:12:14 UTC - in response to Message 1517369.  

@Claggy: OK, thanks. I somehow could not find the preferences before, now I found them (although I'm pretty sure I tried opening them before the same way and it didn't work). :D
ID: 1517402 · Report as offensive
Profile Link
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 18 Sep 03
Posts: 834
Credit: 1,807,369
RAC: 0
Germany
Message 1522742 - Posted: 30 May 2014, 18:45:16 UTC

Works OK so far, but how do I get this thing to build up a WU cache? There's nothing in the local settings like in the desktop version of BOINC, or at least I can't find it. I changed my online settings to 3 + additional 0.01 days, which should be OK for BOINC v7 AFAIK, but still BOINC requests a new WU just about half an hour before the old one finishes, which is of course not enough if it happens during the weekly outage for example.
ID: 1522742 · Report as offensive
David S
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 4 Oct 99
Posts: 18352
Credit: 27,761,924
RAC: 12
United States
Message 1522770 - Posted: 30 May 2014, 20:15:44 UTC - in response to Message 1522742.  

Works OK so far, but how do I get this thing to build up a WU cache? There's nothing in the local settings like in the desktop version of BOINC, or at least I can't find it. I changed my online settings to 3 + additional 0.01 days, which should be OK for BOINC v7 AFAIK, but still BOINC requests a new WU just about half an hour before the old one finishes, which is of course not enough if it happens during the weekly outage for example.

I don't think there is a setting for that. It looks at how long it's likely to be before you finish the current task and fetches another based on that.

If your device has multiple cores and you aren't using all of them, you can set it to use more cores, then set it back again as soon as it downloads more work, but that's a temporary solution. For example, I used it last winter when I was going out of town and wasn't sure if wifi would be available.

Otherwise, don't worry about it. In the grand scheme of things, a couple hours' idle time on a phone or tablet isn't going to make much difference in anything.
David
Sitting on my butt while others boldly go,
Waiting for a message from a small furry creature from Alpha Centauri.

ID: 1522770 · Report as offensive
Profile John Chrzastek
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 28 May 12
Posts: 45
Credit: 29,723,112
RAC: 0
United States
Message 1522861 - Posted: 31 May 2014, 0:48:23 UTC

I have a new HP 7 Plus and would like to change it's domain name from
android_80 <blah,blah>
to something more meaningful. Is this possible or even desirable?

This is my first Android device so I'm just now getting my feet wet.

Also, is there something equivalent to iTunes for Android? If so, how do I get hooked up?
ID: 1522861 · Report as offensive
Profile John Chrzastek
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 28 May 12
Posts: 45
Credit: 29,723,112
RAC: 0
United States
Message 1524416 - Posted: 4 Jun 2014, 14:18:18 UTC

A few follow up thoughts ... The HP 7 Plus 1301 has a micro SD slot. Would adding external memory in this form help with the crunching?

Have not gotten an answer yet to the 're-naming' question but have found a useful site for HP 7 Plus --
http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Android-Tablets-e-g-HP-Slate-7/bd-p/android. If/when I do get a renaming answer - will post it here. I can't be the only one with a 1301 - can I?
ID: 1524416 · Report as offensive
Profile HAL9000
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 11 Sep 99
Posts: 6534
Credit: 196,805,888
RAC: 57
United States
Message 1524424 - Posted: 4 Jun 2014, 15:57:01 UTC - in response to Message 1524416.  

A few follow up thoughts ... The HP 7 Plus 1301 has a micro SD slot. Would adding external memory in this form help with the crunching?

Have not gotten an answer yet to the 're-naming' question but have found a useful site for HP 7 Plus --
http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Android-Tablets-e-g-HP-Slate-7/bd-p/android. If/when I do get a renaming answer - will post it here. I can't be the only one with a 1301 - can I?

Moving the app to SD is not supported.
Changing the machine identity is not currently supported. However NativeBOINC supports this feature.
SETI@home classic workunits: 93,865 CPU time: 863,447 hours
Join the [url=http://tinyurl.com/8y46zvu]BP6/VP6 User Group[
ID: 1524424 · Report as offensive
Profile Raistmer
Volunteer developer
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 16 Jun 01
Posts: 6325
Credit: 106,370,077
RAC: 121
Russia
Message 1524444 - Posted: 4 Jun 2014, 16:38:35 UTC - in response to Message 1524424.  

A few follow up thoughts ... The HP 7 Plus 1301 has a micro SD slot. Would adding external memory in this form help with the crunching?

Have not gotten an answer yet to the 're-naming' question but have found a useful site for HP 7 Plus --
http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Android-Tablets-e-g-HP-Slate-7/bd-p/android. If/when I do get a renaming answer - will post it here. I can't be the only one with a 1301 - can I?

Moving the app to SD is not supported.
Changing the machine identity is not currently supported. However NativeBOINC supports this feature.

NativeBOINC supports both those features.
After ~year of development of stock version NativeBOINC remains superior one.
SETI apps news
We're not gonna fight them. We're gonna transcend them.
ID: 1524444 · Report as offensive
Profile John Chrzastek
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 28 May 12
Posts: 45
Credit: 29,723,112
RAC: 0
United States
Message 1524507 - Posted: 4 Jun 2014, 18:58:19 UTC

HAL9K + Raistmer-
Thanks for the responses guys. I tried installing NATIVEBOINC first but couldn't get anywhere with it. That's probably because I'm a complete newbee to Android.
Since regular BOINC is working well, I hate to mess with it. In fact it just started running a file on the 4th core. I think for now at least, I'll just leave well enough alone. Maybe after I've saved some more allowance money I'll get another tablet and stick with installing NB until I get it working :-)

Thanks again ... -John
ID: 1524507 · Report as offensive
Profile John Chrzastek
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 28 May 12
Posts: 45
Credit: 29,723,112
RAC: 0
United States
Message 1529861 - Posted: 19 Jun 2014, 10:53:33 UTC - in response to Message 1524507.  

To follow up ... I added an Ematic EGQ307 to my SETI garden yesterday. Installed Native Boinc -- it was a breeze. Not sure why I had so much trouble putting it on the HP 7Plus. I'll let the 307 do it's thing for a week and if all goes well I'll switch the HP7+ over to Native Boinc.

I got the EGQ307 from Walmart (apperently on-line only - not in stores?) $60 with
free shipping. Only had to pay state sales tax. Quad core 1.2 Ghz for $ 60 amazing!
ID: 1529861 · Report as offensive
qbit
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 19 Sep 04
Posts: 630
Credit: 6,868,528
RAC: 0
Austria
Message 1534954 - Posted: 2 Jul 2014, 17:02:24 UTC

Since I got my Nexus 5 my old phone (a Samsung Galaxy Ace 2) is pretty useless so I thought I give BOINC for android a try.
It runs well on the Ace 2, the phone doesn't get hot or so, but it takes very long to finish a WU:








32+ hours for 2 WUs. My question is if anybody here has compared the official BOINC with Native BOINC for android. The latter one claims to have optimizations for ARM processors so I wonder if it would be any faster?
ID: 1534954 · Report as offensive
Profile John Chrzastek
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 28 May 12
Posts: 45
Credit: 29,723,112
RAC: 0
United States
Message 1535940 - Posted: 4 Jul 2014, 12:22:44 UTC - in response to Message 1529861.  

The Native BOINC on the EGQ307 loaded and gave all the appearances of running but the finished files never seem to have gotten back to S@H servers. After a couple of days I gave up and loaded the regular Android BOINC version and it ran fine for about 10 days but at some point new files stopped coming in. I tried a few things (settings) without success. I then uninstalled BOINC and attempted to re-install it. I received an error message saying insufficient memory. Took out some updated (& unwanted) apps that seemed to be hogging memory and got the program to re-install. All 4 cores crunching away. Also plugged in a 32 GB microSD card. Not sure if it helps or not.

Both the HP7+ and the EGQ307 now sit on a 2 pound 7 oz. aluminum block with cooling fins. Rubber bands are wrapped around the tabs to enhanced the thermal flow out of the tabs into the AL blocks. The blocks are warm to the touch but not hot.

Weather here near Washington DC has been uncooperative. I shut the desk tops down for electrical storms (but leave the tabs on).
ID: 1535940 · Report as offensive
qbit
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 19 Sep 04
Posts: 630
Credit: 6,868,528
RAC: 0
Austria
Message 1535970 - Posted: 4 Jul 2014, 14:55:47 UTC

I tried Native Boinc but didn't like it much. The screen didn't turn off, no matter what settings I chose. And when I turned it off manually computation seemed to stop also. Back on offical Client now and running 2 WUs that seem to take around 100 hours to finish. I'm sure I get a whooping amount of credits for those;-)
ID: 1535970 · Report as offensive
Profile John Chrzastek
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 28 May 12
Posts: 45
Credit: 29,723,112
RAC: 0
United States
Message 1536525 - Posted: 5 Jul 2014, 21:36:13 UTC - in response to Message 1535940.  

Noticed a name change for both Android devices while the desktops remain constant. Whats up with that?
ID: 1536525 · Report as offensive
qbit
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 19 Sep 04
Posts: 630
Credit: 6,868,528
RAC: 0
Austria
Message 1538537 - Posted: 9 Jul 2014, 15:59:04 UTC

Is there any way to get more tasks? I always just get 2 tasks and the account settings don't work for android.
ID: 1538537 · Report as offensive
Claggy
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 5 Jul 99
Posts: 4654
Credit: 47,537,079
RAC: 4
United Kingdom
Message 1538637 - Posted: 9 Jul 2014, 18:10:11 UTC - in response to Message 1538537.  

Is there any way to get more tasks? I always just get 2 tasks and the account settings don't work for android.

Go to the Projects Tab, and Click update, you might have to do this a couple of times, the caches settings are hardcoded to something like 0.25 + 0.25 (It might be as high as 0.5 + 0.5),

Because of the way the Boinc 7 scheduler works, It'll ask for the amount of work for the 'Minimum' plus 'Maximum' levels, then wait for the amount of work cached to drop below the minimum level before asking again,
hitting the update button will make it ask for the extra 0.25 day, you'll likely have to hit it more than once, (waiting for Seti's 5 minutes between attempts)

Another way of getting more work is to attach to a couple of different projects, just suspend all but one in turn to get work from each project.

Claggy
ID: 1538637 · Report as offensive
Profile John Chrzastek
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 28 May 12
Posts: 45
Credit: 29,723,112
RAC: 0
United States
Message 1538826 - Posted: 10 Jul 2014, 0:45:06 UTC - in response to Message 1538637.  

Huh. That's interesting. The settings (number of cores) on both my tablets worked fine. It's a slider bar and I just set both to 4 cores. Sometimes it takes a few hours to catch up but so far it has always worked.
ID: 1538826 · Report as offensive
qbit
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 19 Sep 04
Posts: 630
Credit: 6,868,528
RAC: 0
Austria
Message 1539110 - Posted: 10 Jul 2014, 14:02:33 UTC

Thx Claggy, the update trick worked for me!

Unfortunatly there's already a new problem here: I had 2 tasks running for more then 3 days, they finished today but the validation is inconclusive.
Before I got this tasks I copied the 7.28 neon application from Seti Beta to the Seti folder on my phone and renamed it to 7.21. Could this be a problem?
ID: 1539110 · Report as offensive
1 · 2 · 3 · 4 · Next

Message boards : Number crunching : Some questions about BOINC for Android...


 
©2024 University of California
 
SETI@home and Astropulse are funded by grants from the National Science Foundation, NASA, and donations from SETI@home volunteers. AstroPulse is funded in part by the NSF through grant AST-0307956.