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Message 1548963 - Posted: 28 Jul 2014, 14:09:00 UTC - in response to Message 1548958.  

How does 'Good Words', and 'Good Intentions', stop ISIS?



Every small step towards the good, is a major breakthrough these days. Abiding is the message I guess...

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Message 1548969 - Posted: 28 Jul 2014, 14:17:07 UTC - in response to Message 1548958.  
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How does 'Good Words', and 'Good Intentions', stop ISIS?

Julie posted the following:

Every small step towards the good, is a major breakthrough these days. Abiding is the message I guess...

also by appeeling to the the Better Angels of our human Nature - Abraham Lincoln



in the Movie "Contact" - the Extra Terestrial Inteligentce - tell us humans the following:

“You're an interesting species. An interesting mix. You're capable of such beautiful dreams, and such horrible nightmares. You feel so lost, so cut off, so alone, only you're not. See, in all our searching, the only thing we've found that makes the emptiness bearable, is each other.”

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David Drumlin the character who is Head Scientist of The National Science Foundation (NSF) say to Ellie Arroway the Astronomer in Charge of SETI:

I know you must think this is all very unfair. Maybe that's an understatement. What you don't know is I agree.

I wish the world was a place where fair was the bottom line, where the kind of idealism you showed at the hearing was rewarded, not taken advantage of.

Unfortunately, we don't live in that world.

Ellie Arroway: Funny, I've always believed that the world is what we make of it


“We all have a thirst for wonder. It's a deeply human quality. Science and religion are both bound up with it. What I'm saying is, you don't have to make stories up, you don't have to exaggerate. There's wonder and awe enough in the real world. Nature's a lot better at inventing wonders than we are.” ellie-arroway, freethinking, religion, science, spirituality


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Message 1549031 - Posted: 28 Jul 2014, 16:05:28 UTC

I like the following :)

We all have a thirst for wonder.

It's a deeply human quality. Science and religion are both bound up with it.

What I'm saying is, you don't have to make stories up, you don't have to exaggerate.

There's wonder and awe enough in the real world.

Nature's a lot better at inventing wonders than we are.

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Message 1549246 - Posted: 29 Jul 2014, 1:21:56 UTC
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Well... speaking of the poor... I do hope you don't mind me posting this in here Byron? I did think of starting a new thread... but given the title of this one, would someone like Martin Drewry, Director of Health Poverty Action be someone who might speak for at least some of earth's inhabitants?

The plundering of Africa

...we are led to believe that ‘aid’ from Britain and other rich countries to the continent is a mark of our generosity... this is a deception. While aid to Africa amounts to less than $30 billion per year, the continent is losing $192 billion annually in other resource flows, mainly to the same countries providing that aid. This means African citizens are losing almost six and a half times what their countries receive in aid each year, or for every £100 given in aid, the African people give £640 back.


“These figures expose the gross misconceptions about aid and ‘charity.’ The common understanding is the UK ‘helps’ Africa through aid, but in reality this serves as a smokescreen for the billions taken out. Let’s use more accurate language. It’s sustained looting – the opposite of generous giving – and we should recognise that the City of London is at the heart of the global financial system that facilitates this.


The idea that we are aiding Africa is flawed; it is Africa that is aiding the rest of the world.


The figures given in the report (for money flowing out of Africa) is a significant underestimate. It does not for example count the cost of the illegal ivory and rhino horn trade. Nor does it include losses relating to biopiracy (the commercial exploitation of biological or genetic material as medicinal plant extracts without compensating the people and countries from which the material or relevant knowledge is obtained) and other intellectual property costs. Nor does it attempt to quantify the cost of unfair trade policies... environmental destruction and pollution... I could go on... I won't. It does mention the $10.6 billion cost Africa pays adapting to the effects of climate change that it did not cause and the $26 billion it is forced to pay to promote low carbon economic growth or face further penalties it can ill afford.

As the charity is based in the west and does not just confine itself to Africa, but Asia and Latin America too... may I nominate them to speak for us...? :)
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Message 1549270 - Posted: 29 Jul 2014, 2:24:00 UTC - in response to Message 1549246.  

I do hope you don't mind me posting this in here Byron?

Hi Annie,

Not a problem.

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Message 1549363 - Posted: 29 Jul 2014, 7:06:02 UTC

Sorry for putting this here Byron, hope it's not too much off topic but I though this fits quite well in here:)


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Message 1549472 - Posted: 29 Jul 2014, 14:17:19 UTC - in response to Message 1549363.  

Sorry for putting this here Byron, hope it's not too much off topic but I though this fits quite well in here:)




29 July 2014

Hi Julie,

Not a problem. It's right on the topic :-)

not to worry ... Julie God Bless you,

thank you for your post,

Excellent post BTW :-)

any Questions are allowed in my thread on the following,

every political, religion, science, spirituality, and freethinking, Question is allowed.

and war on the Working people and Poor people of our Planet Earth :(

is allowed my thread,

also Question about ....... Shouldn't we consider in every nation,

major changes in the traditional ways of doing things?

a fundamental restructuring of:

economic, political, social and religious institutions

is allowed my thread,

Best Wishes to all
Byron
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Message 1549600 - Posted: 29 Jul 2014, 22:06:34 UTC - in response to Message 1549363.  

Sorry for putting this here Byron, hope it's not too much off topic but I though this fits quite well in here:)



Julie... that is a superb post. Thank you! :)


Are we adding China's 'Rape' of Africa?

Clyde... :) Hello! :) You will be very pleased with my answer :)

Absolutely yes!!! They are partly in the figures, but so much of what China does is illegal (ivory and rhino horn trade to mention just two) secret, and not readily quantifiable that it is making up a very small part of the published figures. Don't get upset :) To protect the research from being dismissed as speculative, the report's authors have tried to be meticulous in only including the hard financial data of what is in fact the ongoing... do excuse me - I will be SNORTING the next word most inelegantly... legal corporate “rape” of Africa. :( Small print qualifiers point at only some of what has been left out... and make the figures all the more shameful :( We owe so much to the cradle of Africa yet we have never stopped treating it badly... and China is definitely part of that!

In addition: The under-estimation of the sheer scale of the plunder and cost to the inhabitants of the continent is much higher when we consider the fact that North Africa (with it's high disparity between oil wealth and extreme poverty which contributes (alongside religion) to it's current civil and other wars) is NOT included in the report. So whilst I apologise for banging on about Africa, I also don't :)
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