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Raistmer Send message Joined: 16 Jun 01 Posts: 6325 Credit: 106,370,077 RAC: 121 |
And reagarding "military mans in specific uniform": http://news.mail.ru/politics/17857834/gallery/74076/ look pictures. There are armed peoples too, indeed. But regarding their "uniform"... Especially womans on street, in very special camouflage. That camouflage can be called "ordinary citizen" camouflage ... SETI apps news We're not gonna fight them. We're gonna transcend them. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34984 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Russia retaliates sends tanks to Ukraine, which is on the ‘brink of war’. http://www.news.com.au/world/russia-retaliates-sends-tanks-to-ukraine-which-is-on-the-brink-of-war/story-fndir2ev-1226885938018 AT least three unmarked armoured personnel carriers bearing the Russian flag drove through the eastern Ukraine town of Kramatorsk today, a day after authorities in Kiev launched an operation to oust pro-Moscow separatists. |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34054 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
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Raistmer Send message Joined: 16 Jun 01 Posts: 6325 Credit: 106,370,077 RAC: 121 |
Russia retaliates sends tanks to Ukraine, which is on the ‘brink of war’. First of all not tanks (just as text says). Second - looks like Ukraine lost own few (some sources say 3 some 6) vehicles. They rised russian flag. http://hi.dn.ua/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=45880&catid=55&Itemid=147 http://slavgorod.com.ua/News/Article/837 (this last link has foto and video of those vehicles). EDIT: and tank was blocked near Slavyansk (but yesterday): http://slavgorod.com.ua/News/Article/823 SETI apps news We're not gonna fight them. We're gonna transcend them. |
Raistmer Send message Joined: 16 Jun 01 Posts: 6325 Credit: 106,370,077 RAC: 121 |
Shooting on checkpoint. http://slavgorod.com.ua/news/article/840/ SETI apps news We're not gonna fight them. We're gonna transcend them. |
Raistmer Send message Joined: 16 Jun 01 Posts: 6325 Credit: 106,370,077 RAC: 121 |
Ukraine defense ministry confirmed lost of 6 vehicles: http://www.mil.gov.ua/index.php?lang=ru&part=news&sub=read&id=33958 http://www.mil.gov.ua/index.php?lang=en&part=news&sub=read&id=33962 So, just as I said there were no Russian, there were Ukranian vehicles... Questions rised what such definitely military and not police forces did there, why "anti-terrorist" operation requires regular army technic and how legal to use such technic against population... EDIT: and to add a little positive: http://slavgorod.com.ua/news/article/841/ extremal driving on IFV. SETI apps news We're not gonna fight them. We're gonna transcend them. |
Batter Up Send message Joined: 5 May 99 Posts: 1946 Credit: 24,860,347 RAC: 0 |
We should combine this thread with the Double standard on violence thread. Newark New Jersey 1967. I looked at tanks from both sides, inside is better. |
Batter Up Send message Joined: 5 May 99 Posts: 1946 Credit: 24,860,347 RAC: 0 |
“Today we have agreed a package of military measures,†NATO head Anders Fogh Rasmussen said on Wednesday after a meeting of all 28 members of the transatlantic alliance. I can't find the order of battle for the "28 members" other than the natural speed bumps, Poland and such, on EU boarder. The US is not on that boarder so its role should be passing ammunition to the front. |
Raistmer Send message Joined: 16 Jun 01 Posts: 6325 Credit: 106,370,077 RAC: 121 |
“Today we have agreed a package of military measures,†NATO head Anders Fogh Rasmussen said on Wednesday after a meeting of all 28 members of the transatlantic alliance. Well, it's multy-moves combination. Quite possible that this is just one of aims for what all this mess was started - to increase military budget and to bind EU even more strongly... USA in its usual style. It's hard to increase military spending w/o little war... pay taxers pay. SETI apps news We're not gonna fight them. We're gonna transcend them. |
Batter Up Send message Joined: 5 May 99 Posts: 1946 Credit: 24,860,347 RAC: 0 |
Are you suggesting Obama started this "incident" just to sell more guns to the EU in order to pay for Obama-care? If he did so that is brilliant. |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22237 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
I can see where you are coming from, but you are reading the wrong set of runes, and are confusing "NATO" - a military organisation, with the EU, which is a political one. In recent years NATO hasn't managed to speak with one voice on military matters (Iraq & Afghanistan are the most obvious). And the EU leaves its defense (military) policy to the individual nations. This has resulted in some very strange, short lasting, alliances forming and dissolving depending on what the subject (country) under discussion is. A simplistic summary of the attitudes of the European nations is - the further west one goes, the less interested they are in the Ukraine/Russia situation, with the strongest statements coming from those nearest Russia and Ukraine (and a large number of those statements are not "pro-Russia"). What grieves me about today's new is that we are one step closer to serious bloodshed, and I fear that all too soon we will see body bags being returned to mothers. Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Raistmer Send message Joined: 16 Jun 01 Posts: 6325 Credit: 106,370,077 RAC: 121 |
No, you read w/o attention. I did not say "only". I said one of aims. Just few anothers: to weaken Russia, to prevent EU and Russia cooperation, to prevent Ukraine and Russia cooperation - just a few. So, just as I said - multi-moves combination. Will see how many aims will be reached and how many failed. SETI apps news We're not gonna fight them. We're gonna transcend them. |
Raistmer Send message Joined: 16 Jun 01 Posts: 6325 Credit: 106,370,077 RAC: 121 |
And it's quite sad, that EU so fast forgot... and forgot its' own resolutions. Make a search of few years ago EU statements regarding nationalist party "Freedom" that at that time rise in Ukraine... EU expressed concern at those times... Now 5 ministers in Ukraine "government" from "Freedom", but it's OK now?... That can be called double-standarts indeed... All told Yanukovitch "don't use force against maidan". Even don't use police forces... And he obeyed until it was too late... we know in what it resulted - armed coup. Now Turchinov uses army (!) against protesters... and EU just "loses interest to situation"... Will see what tomorrow bring. Will that meeting be conducted or not and with wich results... SETI apps news We're not gonna fight them. We're gonna transcend them. |
Batter Up Send message Joined: 5 May 99 Posts: 1946 Credit: 24,860,347 RAC: 0 |
Are you suggesting the US fears Russia joining the EU? The Great Satan strikes again. |
Raistmer Send message Joined: 16 Jun 01 Posts: 6325 Credit: 106,370,077 RAC: 121 |
Hm... I think USA (as usual by naming country I understand their elites, not population) has more adequate topics to fear. Russia's enter in EU hardly possible in near (and not so near) future and hardly before "whole-Earth" government would be formed. So nothing to fear here. But more close cooperation, bigger trade relations, less dependence from $ in interstate relations are possible indeed. SETI apps news We're not gonna fight them. We're gonna transcend them. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24881 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
What grieves me about today's new is that we are one step closer to serious bloodshed, and I fear that all too soon we will see body bags being returned to mothers. I've felt that for the last decade. Too many are focusing on the more obvious "emotional media" & not looking closely at the underlying agenda & believe me, it's there! Politics & Religion is a bloody sad reason to die for |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34984 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
The latest news here on this conflict, http://www.news.com.au/world/us-readies-more-sanctions-against-russia-nato-responds-to-ukraine-on-the-brink-of-war/story-fndir2ev-1226885861349, sorry, but still no government propaganda content contained within. THE United States has warned it is preparing new sanctions against Russia if critical Ukraine talks do not produce concessions from Moscow. |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11362 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Why did you allow Russia to control much of your Energy, and therefore your future? The lack of supply? |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22237 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
A question many of us have asked, and have received no sensible answer. We can only guess that it is a combination of big business and pocket lining.... Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
TRuEQ & TuVaLu Send message Joined: 4 Oct 99 Posts: 505 Credit: 69,523,653 RAC: 10 |
WOW!!! We in .se wanted more alternative energy sources. Less fossile fule so Gas would be an asset. And with the Berlin wall down and Russia becoming more open to western trade and more friendly to the EU. I'd say .se has a good trade partner with Russia. We welcome a more open relation with Russia. |
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