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Donald L. Johnson Send message Joined: 5 Aug 02 Posts: 8240 Credit: 14,654,533 RAC: 20 |
Another reason why our crossings should return to manned gates... Possibly. Also possible that field conditions and/or installation were different than test lab conditions, and nobody noticed. A bright lamp unter indoor flourescent light may be difficult to see in bright sunlight, especially if the sun is behind the lamp as you look at ithem.... Donald Infernal Optimist / Submariner, retired |
Bernie Vine Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 9954 Credit: 103,452,613 RAC: 328 |
Another reason why our crossings should return to manned gates... Strange because as stated in the report,the car driver behind did see the lights. From RAIB report Report 17/2013 v2 This was confirmed by the driver of a car that was following the car involved in the collision, who stated that the brake lights were on. She stated that she had seen that the wig-wags were lit as soon as she turned off the main road, which is 600 metres from the crossing, and thought that the car in front was going to stop at the crossing. So a 50/50 I would say. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
More suited to the trains thread as after reading the report cannot see anything remotely suggesting a transport safety issue. |
John McLeod VII Send message Joined: 15 Jul 99 Posts: 24806 Credit: 790,712 RAC: 0 |
Another reason why our crossings should return to manned gates... It can also depend on how clean the windshield is, and how short / tall the driver is. There is one place on the local interstates where there is always a slowdown at sunrise because people cannot see through their windshields or cannot protect their eyes with the visor. At certain times of year, the sun rises straight over the road at rush hour. BOINC WIKI |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
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John McLeod VII Send message Joined: 15 Jul 99 Posts: 24806 Credit: 790,712 RAC: 0 |
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David S Send message Joined: 4 Oct 99 Posts: 18352 Credit: 27,761,924 RAC: 12 |
We are starting to have more crude oil train crashes in the US. Yes, it's getting rather disturbing, even for me. David Sitting on my butt while others boldly go, Waiting for a message from a small furry creature from Alpha Centauri. |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65757 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
We are starting to have more crude oil train crashes in the US. It all points to substandard rail and tie maintenance, which is related to not enough capital for shortline RR's to maintain their row, I've seen pics of some of these shortlines, they're as bad or worse than the Penn Centrals track was before Conrail came in and revamped what was savable and abandoning what wasn't, It was locos and trains moving at near walking pace, just to stay on the rails. Though I couldn't find any pics of a shortline railroad and wobbly track, I did find something Here, which is related to oil, trains and pipelines, BNSF is laying new track and buying tank cars. The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65757 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
Scratch that, I found several pics, all this track is decrepit... I found these pics Here. And another... Or this... The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
Vic, Those pictures tell a sad tale.I can not beleive that an engineer would even take a loco down that track. Thats a deadly accident waiteing to happen. And those other pics show what happens when you dont do track maintenace. Ive read that those old ties that were heavily soaked in creosote would last 100 years if they were kept on good drainage. There has been quite the spike in tanker fires of late. Well you can use a pipeline. Ship it by rail. Or by truck. We all need the oil how the hell are we supposed to get? [/quote] Old James |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65757 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
Vic, Those pictures tell a sad tale.I can not believe that an engineer would even take a loco down that track. Thats a deadly accident waiting to happen. And those other pics show what happens when you dont do track maintenance. Ive read that those old ties that were heavily soaked in creosote would last 100 years if they were kept on good drainage. Make sure the poorer railroads get some money to bring their track up to class 1 standards I guess, from what I've read these lines with such horrible track are breaking even since they don't have enough customers to fund track maintenance and some of these customers may not have any choice in shipping(damned if you do and damned if you don't), the richer ones like BNSF at least are able on their own to lay new track and buy 5000 tank cars. And yes, I agree, it is, some have gotten tiger grants to help fix their track, but not all are so lucky. The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
Luigi Naruszewicz Send message Joined: 19 Nov 99 Posts: 620 Credit: 23,910,372 RAC: 14 |
Its not only small railroad companies that have problem of maintaining track. The picture is of track that I took in 2010 at Clarkson station near Toronto, Canada. The station was being revamped and this track appeared to be newly relaid. The state of the sleepers beggars belief. . A person who makes no mistakes, creates nothing. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34830 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Not a very good year over there... Seoul train crash blamed on system failure The collision added to public anger and frustration with the country’s lax safety standards exposed by the ferry disaster. Cheers. |
John McLeod VII Send message Joined: 15 Jul 99 Posts: 24806 Credit: 790,712 RAC: 0 |
Scratch that, I found several pics, all this track is decrepit... I found these pics Here. The middle of the three is unpassable by a train. The upper looks barely passable, and the bottom one looks like it has not had a train in years... BOINC WIKI |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65757 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
Well 2 out of 3 examples of poorly maintained row, probably cause of a lack of funds. Still if the derailments were caused by track like the top one and the RR had the funds, I'd want someone arrested for criminal negligence, which shouldn't be tolerated in this country... The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
Lynn Send message Joined: 20 Nov 00 Posts: 14162 Credit: 79,603,650 RAC: 123 |
this is sad :( http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/asia/article4080544.ece?CMP=OTH-gnws-standard-2014_05_04 Nineteen killed, 120 injured in India train derailment At least 19 people were killed and more than 120 more were injured when a passenger train was derailed in India today. |
David S Send message Joined: 4 Oct 99 Posts: 18352 Credit: 27,761,924 RAC: 12 |
Scratch that, I found several pics, all this track is decrepit... I found these pics Here. Actually, I'd say the top one is the worst of the three. The middle one is at least level. On the third one, I'd think they would do some major brush clearing at the very least, plus a good inspection, before even trying to run a train on it. The thing is, except for the big one in Quebec (which wasn't caused by a track problem), all of these oil train wrecks have been on class one railroads with enough money to do proper maintenance. David Sitting on my butt while others boldly go, Waiting for a message from a small furry creature from Alpha Centauri. |
John McLeod VII Send message Joined: 15 Jul 99 Posts: 24806 Credit: 790,712 RAC: 0 |
Scratch that, I found several pics, all this track is decrepit... I found these pics Here. The middle one has a spot that is much too wide, and any rail car or locomitive that hits it will derail. The top one looks like it can be navigated if you take it slow enough. Agreed on the bottom one. BOINC WIKI |
anniet Send message Joined: 2 Feb 14 Posts: 7105 Credit: 1,577,368 RAC: 75 |
this is sad :( That is terrible news Lynn :( Given how scenes like this are common in India, it could have been potentially a lot worse I suppose :( |
David S Send message Joined: 4 Oct 99 Posts: 18352 Credit: 27,761,924 RAC: 12 |
Bad rails aren't always old. It will be interesting to see what comes of this. David Sitting on my butt while others boldly go, Waiting for a message from a small furry creature from Alpha Centauri. |
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