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Message 53441 - Posted: 13 Dec 2004, 7:25:48 UTC

Hi out there,

just found this (in german):

http://www.heise.de/tp/r4/artikel/18/18994/1.html

Maybe there is an english version out there, too.

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Message 53690 - Posted: 13 Dec 2004, 23:22:40 UTC
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nice fine @Femue

but you also have to look here

http://www.umich.edu/news/index.html?Releases/2004/Dec04/r120204

http://www.astrobio.net/news/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1331&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

and here at this Forum

http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=7172

and for German Users look also here

http://www.astronews.com/news/artikel/2004/12/0412-005.shtml

and here

http://www.planet3dnow.de/vbulletin/showthread.php3?s=&postid=1983291#post1983291

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Message 53697 - Posted: 13 Dec 2004, 23:51:04 UTC

also there is a nice discussion at TPR about this.

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Message 54006 - Posted: 14 Dec 2004, 23:10:18 UTC

i have mailed David Anderson to this, but i think SETI Thursday or somethink will give us the Answer.

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Message 54143 - Posted: 15 Dec 2004, 7:51:25 UTC - in response to Message 54006.  

Hi Sir Ulli,

thank you for the other links to this point. I just use to crunch workunits (and still hope to find ETI) but don't care much for the surrounding things - too much work and other interests ...

Who is David Anderson?

Greetings from Germany NRW, too ;-)
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Message 54264 - Posted: 15 Dec 2004, 19:09:28 UTC - in response to Message 54143.  

> Who is David Anderson?

He is the director of the S@H project.
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Message 54289 - Posted: 15 Dec 2004, 21:43:51 UTC

I think that it is probably too early to ask, but I feel it would be great, if the front page for Seti@homeBoinc, would start having something similar to what we had in the old Seti pages, that is - links to other pages where the most important gaussians, pikes, triplets and pulses found so far in the new project would be mentioned.

Probably a list of total new SETI-Boinc users by country, so that we can compare, by the time the Old friend seti 1 dissapears, what's the possibility of the moving in into the new seti. I am sorry for my poor construction but I hope I can make myself understood.

Regards to all and Merry X'mas and Happy New Year 2005 from Valencia - Spain.


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Message 54291 - Posted: 15 Dec 2004, 22:10:51 UTC

>regards to all and Merry X'mas and Happy New Year 2005 from Valencia - Spain.

and the same here from Good old German

may the force be with You...

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Message 54292 - Posted: 15 Dec 2004, 22:11:09 UTC - in response to Message 54289.  
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Hi Liberto,

You might want to post a copy of this under Wish List in Q@A General issues/Wish List

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Message 56242 - Posted: 21 Dec 2004, 15:13:25 UTC

I feel SETI should focus it's efforts on analyzing the results rather than displaying member contributions (points/rank). This project has a large queryable results database that should be made available to the public to analyze. Without this interaction, we will be here ten years from now still worrying why Team Lamb Chop has 1,000,000,000,000 WU's and why we still have not found a signal.
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Message 56552 - Posted: 22 Dec 2004, 16:54:49 UTC

Hi guys,

Well, I wonder if we (S@H and the work-unit contributors) are really just looking for little green men... I wonder how many new pulsars, etc. were found by home-computers by now ;-)

Sorry for posting on topic ;-) and greets to "ze Germans" for a fellow German living in Ireland :-).
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Message 56718 - Posted: 23 Dec 2004, 15:06:25 UTC - in response to Message 56552.  

> Well, I wonder if we (S@H and the work-unit contributors) are really just
> looking for little green men... I wonder how many new pulsars, etc. were found
> by home-computers by now ;-)
Food for thought, how would you go about finding out if we found any new pulsars with the scientific data we (Seti users) have collected for you? The spikes, gaussians and triplet hits are all stored according to time and coordinates. It would not be hard to conduct basic research for your kind of question with the actual result data. A Transact SQL book, MYSQL DB and a few hours of time would yield some interesting results.

For example, I have a DB of 1,500+ results I compiled from my efforts over the past two years. I ported it to a MS Access screensaver that shows random charts of the data every X minutes. Makes for some great coffee break discussions. :)
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Message 56798 - Posted: 23 Dec 2004, 22:56:21 UTC - in response to Message 54264.  

> > Who is David Anderson?
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> He is the director of the S@H project.
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i get a Mail from David Anderson about this...

Ulrich:
SETI researchers have known for many years
that optimal communication resembles noise,
and is therefore hard to detect.
This is not news, and I'm not sure why this paper was published recently.

Radio SETI projects (like SETI@home) hope to find
either a beacon (a signal intended to be heard by us)
or a communication signal that is not optimal
(like our current TV and radio stations)
or a non-communication signal (like radar).

-- David

Thanks David for your replay

Happy Xmas to all of you, and speziall to David Anderson

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Message 57572 - Posted: 26 Dec 2004, 23:24:02 UTC - in response to Message 56798.  
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This problem, and others like it, is addressed in this book.

In the near term, with available human technology, we only have the chance of finding civilizations which are very close, or which want to be found--and are broadcasting an extremely powerfull beacon.
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Message 57574 - Posted: 26 Dec 2004, 23:32:45 UTC - in response to Message 57572.  

> This problem, and others like it, is addressed in <a> href="http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=7557">this
> book.[/url]
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> In the near term, with available human technology, we only have the chance of
> finding civilizations which are very close, or which want to be found--and are
> broadcasting an extremely powerfull beacon.
>

i dont know this Book, but did you read my post carefully

>Ulrich:
>SETI researchers have known for many years
>that optimal communication resembles noise,
>and is therefore hard to detect.
>This is not news, and I'm not sure why this paper was published recently.

>Radio SETI projects (like SETI@home) hope to find
>either a beacon (a signal intended to be heard by us)
>or a communication signal that is not optimal
>(like our current TV and radio stations)
>or a non-communication signal (like radar).
>
> David

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Message 57623 - Posted: 27 Dec 2004, 2:04:44 UTC - in response to Message 57574.  
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Sir Ulli, I meant to reply to the first post, not to yours in particular, sorry. You and I were saying the same thing, pretty much. The book also supports what you were saying--our best chances are to find some beacon like signal.
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Message 70478 - Posted: 17 Jan 2005, 0:58:15 UTC

Apologies for possible offtop, but can anyone tell me why the search is all around of one and the same frequency?

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Message 70509 - Posted: 17 Jan 2005, 2:56:18 UTC - in response to Message 70478.  

> Apologies for possible offtop, but can anyone tell me why the search is all
> around of one and the same frequency?
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> Greetings from Rep. of Georgia :)
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It's a certain frequency that is rather quiet. It other words, there's not too much in the galaxy that uses this specific frequency. So an intelligent species would recognize this, and use that frequency to do their communication.
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Message 70616 - Posted: 17 Jan 2005, 10:29:02 UTC - in response to Message 70478.  

> Apologies for possible offtop, but can anyone tell me why the search is all
> around of one and the same frequency?
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> Greetings from Rep. of Georgia :)
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Search the web for "waterhole" and "radioastronomy" you will get the correct answer.

Greertz ;-))

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Message 70631 - Posted: 17 Jan 2005, 12:10:17 UTC

Thanks to your replies, now I've got it clear for myself :) I would rather suggest to listen as well to the mostly used frequencies (quite logical, IMHO), but this will increase the WU amount... huh... I want SETI to be too perfect :)

Btw, how are the stats of analysis? Are we in-time or is data amount for analysis growing?


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