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Message 50937 - Posted: 3 Dec 2004, 11:33:23 UTC
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Right now this really only delays the awarding of credit, unless all the other hosts are suffering from this bug. That would mean the same workunit would have to be sent to four different hosts suffering from the same bug. Numerically speaking, it isn't very likely.

I'm not trying to make light of this bug, but please understand, the dev team would have to roll back the Alpha group from testing the 4.5x branch to take this fix for the public release right now. That in turn could delay the public launch of E@H by a few weeks.

We are a few weeks away from the E@H launch, and 4.5x/4.6x rollout. The 4.5x/4.6x branch has a fix for this bug, plus the graphical UI for Mac, Linux, and Solaris. Plus the graphical science application support for the already mentioned platforms. This will bring all platforms into feature partiy with each other. It's a big release.

On the Windows side, there is a new installer which can be configured for mass deployments, configuring Windows to run BOINC as a service, and a few other nifty features.

Trying to fix this now would be costly for all the projects.

I hope you all understand, we are trying to get this done as quickly as possible.

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Message 50961 - Posted: 3 Dec 2004, 15:05:18 UTC - in response to Message 50937.  

> ATTN: SETI Team Please Read
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> This User has been a problem for quite sometime and it is growing
> Daily could you please correct this and let us know your findings…
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> Thanks SETI Team
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> Timmy
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> Thread:
> http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/forum_thread.php?id=6649
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> mikey2345:
> http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/hosts_user.php?userid=701952
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Message 50965 - Posted: 3 Dec 2004, 15:40:24 UTC
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Poor Mikey, the Blood Hounds are out to get him ...

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Message 50968 - Posted: 3 Dec 2004, 16:06:01 UTC - in response to Message 50965.  

> Poor Mikey, the Blood Hounds are out to get him ...
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If this is science then this account can skew the results
Yes PB it is irritating. But it is a problem. What if there is
5 users like this 10 20 30....

I think it's worthy of correction.
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Message 50969 - Posted: 3 Dec 2004, 16:06:17 UTC

Wow, that's unbelieveable..got tired of page downing at around 1700 hosts , and the bar on the side had barely moved! didn't take the time to see total.Must help percentage stats. but somethings wrong their...
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Message 50970 - Posted: 3 Dec 2004, 16:14:21 UTC - in response to Message 50968.  
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> > Poor Mikey, the Blood Hounds are out to get him ...
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> If this is science then this account can skew the results
> Yes PB it is irritating. But it is a problem. What if there is
> 5 users like this 10 20 30....
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> I think it's worthy of correction.
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Well you had better get ready to do some serious Blood Hounding when they shut down Seti Classic, because it will be a nightmare once all those people switch over to BOINC.

Myself, I have better things to do than worry about somebody elses account...


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Message 50973 - Posted: 3 Dec 2004, 16:20:42 UTC - in response to Message 50937.  
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@ Matt and @ ROM

Timmy is obviously right,

There must be something wrong with the following user OR with your filehandling system.
The team should look into this as soon as possible

mikey2345:
http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/hosts_user.php?userid=701952

He is continuously adding PC's to his list...

Or is this a new method of putting zero's on your Seti Boinc drives??

Greetings from Belgium ;-))


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Message 50982 - Posted: 3 Dec 2004, 17:07:37 UTC - in response to Message 50973.  

Thanks for your support Mr. Linux,
Poor Boy I really don't understand
your negative feelings about this problem.

>"Well you had better get ready to do some serious Blood Hounding when they shut down Seti Classic, because it will be a nightmare once all those people switch over to BOINC.

Myself, I have better things to do than worry about somebody elses account..."

If we as the "Pioneers" for SETI/Bonic and are part of the Team we should point
out these problems now so we don't have to be snoop dogs down the line. Yes I have Better things to do and I do them. If I had a clear line of communications
with the SETI Staff I would contact them Directly.

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Message 50984 - Posted: 3 Dec 2004, 17:27:32 UTC - in response to Message 50982.  
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Hello Folks,

We support (all of us) this project and for that we want to help in running it smoothly and fluently to maximize the scientific credit.

Therefore the action of Timmy is NOT to be read as "bloodhounding" but should be understood as a serious warning for something as far as we now from our side wich could :

1. stall the system in the long run (perhaps)?
2. could cause damage / overload to the database?
3. could be a result of a programming quirk?
4. most likely is or could be something badly wrong with a user's computer...

All in all for the good, somebody should really take a look into this matter because things could go worse in the long run and put us all out of business for some time. Server down etc... you know... We all saw this happen already.

Thanks to Tim and the others (Tony Martin) in the thread for being positive detectives to draw the attention on this one,

May the Great Crunching Force be with Thou
Greetings to you all from Belgium ;-))

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Message 50986 - Posted: 3 Dec 2004, 17:37:05 UTC - in response to Message 50984.  

Bump

Hey Lets put this fire out (pun)


They are just getting to work in sunshine land.....

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Message 50990 - Posted: 3 Dec 2004, 18:30:30 UTC
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To Mr. Seti,

Please be so kind to look into the urgent threads if / when you come out of the pub.
There seems to be something weird with :
mikey2345:
http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/hosts_user.php?userid=701952
This user creates 1000's of PC's with zero credits and "The Beat Goes On..."


Thx, greetings ;-))

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Message 50997 - Posted: 3 Dec 2004, 18:57:21 UTC

Mr. Seti,

Please be so kind to read on the thread if you can come out of the pub.

It IEZ REELY URGENT YOE NOO

Greetings ;-))

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Message 50999 - Posted: 3 Dec 2004, 18:58:51 UTC

To Mr. Seti,

Please be so kind to look into the urgent threads if / when you come out of the pub.
There seems to be something weird with :
mikey2345:
http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/hosts_user.php?userid=701952
This user creates 1000's of PC's with zero credits and "The Beat Goes On..."


Thx, greetings ;-))

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Message 51005 - Posted: 3 Dec 2004, 19:24:36 UTC

Development team usually don't look in this forum very often. Usually at their desks coding, or checking server stats, or doing DB queries.

Matt and ROM probably look once a day or so.
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Message 51013 - Posted: 3 Dec 2004, 19:55:18 UTC

4114 computers and counting ....
<img src='http://www.boincsynergy.com/images/stats/comb-912.jpg'>
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Message 51014 - Posted: 3 Dec 2004, 20:16:25 UTC

possible
mikey2345
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Location: La Azohia / Spain


INVESTIGATION CONTINUE....
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Message 51022 - Posted: 3 Dec 2004, 21:36:35 UTC - in response to Message 50965.  
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> Poor Mikey, the Blood Hounds are out to get him ...
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Abuses of the medical system, frankly parasitic behavior, by a significant fraction of doctors and other providers of medical care (but mostly doctors) in the past, led to the advent and proliferation of the HMO system in the United States. Simply put, a feeding frenzy, at the expense of insurance companies that were slow to catch on, brought about the current system in which the doctor-patient working relationship has been intruded upon by bureaucrats erecting de facto impediments to medical care.

These excesses could and should have been policed internally by physicians. But they were not. Now we have a system wherein a committee somewhere outside of the examining room passes judgement upon the physician's concern about the thyroid nodule found on physical exam of a patient with a fifteen percent weight-loss over the past three months.

Yikes.

A blood hound is a tool for tracking down suspected perpetrators of wrong-doing. Multiple SETI crunchers have taken a look at the mikey2345 account and found it puzzling and alarming. They would like someone inside SETI to take a look. They don't seem to be saying, "Let's hang the bloke." But a look-see appears in order.

I frankly support the sniffing around by some of our computer-savvy colleagues here in cruncherville. Beats the hell out of some of the alternatives.

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Message 51025 - Posted: 3 Dec 2004, 21:57:30 UTC
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Yes, I understand mikey has some sort of problem & it should be fixed, but the Blood Hounds have been Baying at the Moon (hehe) since the 15th of November over this persons account to no avail. Either the Dev's don't care about it or figure it's not hurting anything or just have better things to do than worry about mikeys account.

I don't even think mikey knows it's happening because since he joined in January 2004 he has hardly crunched any work at all so he probably doesn't pay much attention to his account.
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Message 51029 - Posted: 3 Dec 2004, 22:31:00 UTC

He seems to be down to 3 machines now.

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Message 51030 - Posted: 3 Dec 2004, 22:35:08 UTC - in response to Message 51029.  
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Check it out Ziggy
http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=382464


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