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Message 49585 - Posted: 27 Nov 2004, 20:35:19 UTC
Last modified: 28 Nov 2004, 18:05:34 UTC

I've built a native port to Mac OS X 10.3 of KBoincSpy using KDE/Mac (also known as KDE on Darwin, http://kde.opendarwin.org).

The good news:
it doesn't run under X11, but rather as a native Carbon application (although, in my experience, you will need X11 installed - KDE looks for a little program called iceauth which is included in the Apple X11 Server files).

The bad news:
KDE/Mac is currently in pre-alpha. There are a lot of GUI bugs and glitches. Use at your own risk.

The even worse news:
this is the first time I package anything for Mac, so I'm not sure I did everything right. I've tested the package on my machine, and it seemed to work.

The even worser news:
I don't own a Mac, and I built everything using PearPC. I cannot predict how this would work on a real Mac.

Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is:
1. to install all 'required' packages from
http://kde.opendarwin.org
and possibly the 'recommended' packages as well

2. to configure KDE, as explained in the KDE on Darwin wiki, and make sure that it works (try running konqueror, for example). Consult the FAQ on the same wiki for troubleshooting.

3. to install and run KBoincSpy from:
http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/kboincspy/kboincspy-0.8.0-1.macosx103+kde20040308.dmg?download
(IMPORTANT: make sure you installed and configured KDE in steps 1 and 2 before doing this. KBoincSpy WILL NOT RUN WITHOUT KDE).

About ten days of work went into building this package, and I made this effort believing that the Mac community would benefit from it.
It's perfectly understandable if you're frightened by this whole 'experimental', 'pre-alpha', 'run-at-your-risk' thing, and choose not to try this port of KBoincSpy. On the other hand if I don't get enough users, I'm not going to port any future version, ever. Plus, you might miss on something good.

- Roberto

PS. Screenshot at:
http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=120854&ssid=1869
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Message 49715 - Posted: 28 Nov 2004, 17:49:58 UTC

I tried to access the screenshot and received an error: Invlaid Screenshot ID.

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Message 49717 - Posted: 28 Nov 2004, 18:06:57 UTC - in response to Message 49715.  

I uploaded another (better) screenshot, and the old got deleted. The new one:
http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=120854&ssid=1869

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Message 49760 - Posted: 28 Nov 2004, 23:51:15 UTC

Nice Screens...wish I could try it, but I'm running on the work computer and I don't quite dare to install something in Alpha or Beta, just in case. V.0 I can get away with, usually...

Have you checked with Activity Monitor to see what percent of your CPU cycles it uses to update the GUI?

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Message 49765 - Posted: 29 Nov 2004, 0:05:24 UTC - in response to Message 49760.  
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> Have you checked with Activity Monitor to see what percent of your CPU cycles
> it uses to update the GUI?

I haven't, but I'm positive it won't take a lot of CPU cycles. This because (1) it doesn't take a lot of CPU on X11 (on i386), and (2) this is PearPC we're talking about: if there's a program that uses a lot a CPU I immediately know about it because it makes the entire emulated session unusable. The fact that I was able to take that screenshot is itself proof that's light on CPU usage :-).

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Message 49775 - Posted: 29 Nov 2004, 0:32:29 UTC

YES! Count me in!

The only problems I've had with KDE/X is the init app/wrapper - That seems to hang and cause lots of trouble later on (especially with KGeo and KControl). Aside from the (absolutely irritating) reliance on the control key instead of command, I'm OK with being a guinea pig.

I'll let you know how it goes. :-)
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Message 49841 - Posted: 29 Nov 2004, 5:16:54 UTC - in response to Message 49775.  

Excellent!! I'll wait for your report.

Thanks,

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Message 49888 - Posted: 29 Nov 2004, 8:12:38 UTC - in response to Message 49775.  

This is a correction: The "wrapper" app is kded.
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Message 49900 - Posted: 29 Nov 2004, 10:14:35 UTC

<p>NOTE: This is a very long post with a wide preformatted field. You will have to use Unicode to read this post. Please select UTF-8 from your browser&rsquo;s &ldquo;Text Encodings&rdquo; or &ldquo;Character Set&rdquo; submenu. Sorry for the inconvenience.</p>
<p>OK. It&rsquo;s taken me about two hours and change to download the KDE suite and install it, and about an hour or so in setting up BOINC, so I apologize for the delay. It looks like my system is still too shaky, but I'll keep it running until I wake up. That should be enough time for KBoincSpy to sink in.</p>
<p>It still looks like kded hasn&rsquo;t been dealt with &mdash; KGeo, KControl, and a few other KDE apps still cause ugly somnambulism. So whatever KBoincSpy relies on, it&rsquo;s gonna be a kinda shaky foundation. Have you considered doing a port to Fink before going the KDE on Darwin route?</p><p>Anyway, I&rsquo;ve obviously got problems on my end with BOINC (I couldn't start it because &ldquo;another instance is running&rdquo; which is total bs). I logged in as root and all seems to be working well enough. Here&rsquo;s the first few bugs I&rsquo;ve found. Serious ones are white-on-black, niceties are black-on-white.</p>
<p>&#x2776; Double-clicking localhost&#x25b8;Processor in tree mode does not bring up the Processor pane.</p><p>&#x2777; Double-clicking localhost in tree mode does not reveal SETI@home, CPU1, Cache, Client, nor Processor.
How about using the column view instead? Or would that be too much of a break with KDE's UI?</p><p>&#x2778; Tabs are not clearly labeled for closing, mostly because the &otimes; doesn't repaint fast enough.
Keep in mind that most Mac users never see an icon on a tab (Except for the Finder, but that's the exception to prove a rule, I guess). To close a tab requires two slow clicks (then again I double click in &le;0.1s).</p><p>&#x2463; More than four panes causes the browser pane to be squished.
I don't know if that's expected, but it's an annoyance. Is it possible to have one pane open at a time?</p><p>&#x2464; Links open up with Konqueror.
OK, so this really isn&rsquo;t a bug, but I think that you should consider polling Mac OS for the preferred browser if possible. Not a biggie.</p><p>&#x277b; The WindowShade button (on the right of the title bar) is useless - Nix it. The same goes for the Messages window.</p><p>&#x277c; Clicking in the Messages window does not highlight the row.</p><p>&#x277d; The sort order triangle (&#x25bc; v. &#x25b2;) in the column labels weren&rsquo;t visible unless you were actively clicking it.
I put it in past tense because I wasn&rsquo;t able to duplicate it. The selected column does highlight though.</p><p>&#x2468; The Calibration Pane is hard to read, especially the table.</p><p>&#x2469; The Sky Map is good, but it would be nice to see KStars handling it.</p><p>&#x246a; The Configure KBoincSpy pane has a System Tray field.
It&rsquo;s useless under KDE on Darwin, so nix it.</p><p>&#x246b; Do the menu items&rsquo; keyboard equivalents have to include control?
It feels very stupid to use &#x2318;&#x2303;C when the HIG specifies &#x2318;C for copy, or &#x2318;&#x2303;O instead of &#x2318;O.</p>

<p>So what does work? Practically everything else! Resizing, reordering the column headings, making settings, quitting and starting up&hellip; I&rsquo;ve even noticed that the contextual menu is almost always available for copying &mdash; And the clipboard works very well, too! The &ldquo;epicenter&rdquo; animation in the Map is really neat! &#x263a;</p>

<p>All in all, KBoincSpy has been the best behaved KDE on Darwin app I&rsquo;ve used thus far. Smoke &lsquo;em if you got &lsquo;em! It hasn&rsquo;t crashed, somnambulated, hung, or submarined. In fact, here&rsquo;s a top -w -s 5 -o pid output:</p>
Processes:  66 total, 3 running, 63 sleeping... 139 threads                                                   05:01:58
Load Avg:  1.43, 1.31, 1.18     CPU usage:  89.2% user, 10.8% sys, 0.0% idle
SharedLibs: num =  120, resident = 49.1M code, 3.50M data, 17.1M LinkEdit
MemRegions: num =  9290, resident =  111M + 14.3M private,  221M shared
PhysMem:  91.2M wired,  282M active,  314M inactive,  688M used, 80.0M free
VM: 6.26G + 82.6M   64784(1) pageins, 343(0) pageouts

  PID COMMAND      %CPU   TIME   #TH #PRTS(delta) #MREGS VPRVT  RPRVT(delta)  RSHRD(delta)  RSIZE(delta)  VSIZE(delta)
  835 TextEdit     0.0%  0:11.58   1    66          239  22.6M  4.60M         33.5M         13.5M          165M
  830 top          2.3%  1:03.72   1    17           26  26.3M   992K          492K         1.33M         27.1M
  828 bash         0.0%  0:00.03   1    12           18  9.21M    92K          984K          776K         18.2M
  827 login        0.0%  0:00.02   1    13           37  26.4M   140K          484K          488K         26.9M
  826 BBEdit       4.8%  0:04.18   3   102          240  32.9M  5.92M(  12K)  36.4M         16.8M(  16K)   143M
  825 kio_uiserv   0.0%  0:01.07   1    51          178  26.9M  1.80M         70.8M         14.3M          254M
  823 kboincspy    0.3%  1:12.09   1    68          371  35.9M  12.3M         93.6M         32.9M          328M
  822 sh           0.0%  0:00.02   1    11           15  17.2M    88K          860K          600K         18.2M
  821 kdeinit      0.0%  0:00.60   1    21          112  9.25M  1.04M         55.4M         8.58M          202M
  812 setiathome  72.8% 45:46.06   1    11           40  40.9M  13.6M(-132K)  1.40M         13.5M(-132K)  42.2M(-132K)
  811 boinc_4.13   0.0%  0:01.74   1    13           28  9.66M   208K         1.33M          936K         24.2M
  809 Mail         0.0%  0:11.09   4   107          223  34.6M  6.27M         28.9M         20.4M          156M
  805 bash         0.0%  0:00.03   1    12           18  9.21M   120K          984K          776K         18.2M
  804 login        0.0%  0:00.04   1    13           37  26.4M   144K          484K          500K         26.9M
  803 Terminal     0.7%  0:15.25   4    69          236  28.5M  2.90M         36.4M         16.0M(  36K)   135M
  797 CharPalett   0.0%  0:12.63   2    86          389  30.6M  6.46M         23.8M         12.2M          206M
  794 AppleSpell   0.0%  0:01.78   1    26           37  26.6M   688K         2.14M         2.16M         36.3M
  793 SecurityAg   0.0%  0:00.84   2    75          134  26.9M  1.72M         15.7M         4.98M          110M
  792 Safari       0.0%  1:58.80   6   118          310  34.4M  8.11M         38.5M         19.5M          170M
  791 kdeinit     12.5%  0:42.73   1    50(   -1)   257  18.4M  2.25M         83.1M         12.4M          276M
  778 kded         0.1%  0:42.77   1    51          208  26.8M  1.59M         72.1M         9.37M          260M
  774 dcopserver   0.0%  0:00.13   1    18           45  26.4M   368K         11.9M         3.15M         71.4M
  771 kdeinit      0.0%  0:00.04   1     9           71   284K   148K         53.0M          796K          167M
  766 iCalAlarmS   0.0%  0:00.25   1    60          102  26.5M   672K         6.30M         10.9M         97.6M
  759 Finder       0.0%  0:12.13   1    95          215  29.2M  4.65M         38.2M         14.1M          142M
  758 SystemUISe   0.3%  0:18.78   1   181          245  32.5M  2.50M         29.8M         7.37M          132M
  756 Dock         0.5%  0:02.39   3    98(    4)   166  27.5M   940K(  20K)  14.3M(1.30M)  4.50M( 824K)  99.9M(1.85M)
  754 pbs          0.0%  0:00.22   2    32           41  26.6M   596K         2.28M         1.85M         44.5M
  748 WindowServ   4.4%  2:26.70   3   320(   11)   623  33.0M  7.14M(1.31M)  74.2M(1.30M)  79.5M(2.58M)   195M(2.65M)
  746 loginwindo   0.0%  0:00.88   5   191          201  28.3M  1.93M         17.8M         5.68M          114M
  731 artsd        0.0%  0:05.90   1    12           85  26.4M   604K         6.64M         4.82M         57.1M
  730 kdeinit      0.0%  0:00.26   1    38          223  15.6M  5.09M         69.0M         14.6M          263M
  729 kdeinit      0.0%  0:00.09   1     9          136  16.4M   224K         59.8M         9.43M          203M
  727 kdeinit      0.0%  0:00.57   1     9           78  8.82M   864K         53.9M         10.5M          168M
  718 kdeinit      0.0%  0:00.66   1    21          110  17.0M  1.02M         55.4M         12.9M          202M
  716 dcopserver   0.0%  0:00.08   1    18           45  26.4M   352K         11.9M         6.92M         71.4M
  712 kdeinit      0.0%  0:00.03   1     9           70   240K   108K         53.0M         1008K          167M
  335 ATSServer    0.0%  0:10.89   2    77          491  27.9M  1.61M         21.9M         11.1M          146M
  308 automount    0.0%  0:00.02   2    29           28  27.3M   240K          972K          932K         28.3M
  297 automount    0.0%  0:00.76   3    49           39  27.9M   348K         1.05M         1.19M         29.1M
  295 cupsd        0.0%  0:00.73   1    11           29  19.4M   440K         1.09M          980K         28.3M
  291 ntpd         0.0%  0:00.61   1    10           19  17.3M   136K          600K          340K         17.9M
  287 rpc.lockd    0.0%  0:00.00   1     9           17  9.26M    76K          460K          140K         17.7M
  278 nfsiod       0.0%  0:00.00   5    29           24  11.2M    92K          404K          156K         19.6M
  239 lookupd      0.0%  0:35.77   2    35           65  27.4M   444K         1.05M         1.18M         28.5M
  226 crashrepor   0.0%  0:00.01   1    34           20  18.8M    80K          408K          184K         27.2M
  208 DirectoryS   0.0%  0:00.89   2    71          111  27.5M   708K         3.09M         1.29M         31.5M
  187 ioupsd       0.0%  0:00.03   1    19           20  26.3M   108K          408K          380K         26.7M
  178 SecuritySe   0.0%  0:00.44   1    77           29  27.0M   480K         1.27M         1.22M         28.2M
  159 distnoted    0.0%  0:00.75   1    42           21  26.3M   244K          820K          708K         27.1M
  158 KernelEven   0.0%  0:00.00   1    10           19  18.3M    96K          424K          132K         26.7M
  152 mDNSRespon   0.0%  0:00.05   2    41           33  26.4M   300K          936K          840K         27.3M
  144 cron         0.0%  0:00.01   1    10           23  10.2M    68K          464K          160K         27.0M
  130 coreservic   0.0%  0:03.83   1   101          130  19.2M  1.48M         9.75M         6.62M         38.8M
  129 SystemStar   0.0%  0:00.19   1    19           30  18.4M   224K          872K          704K         27.3M
  126 dynamic_pa   0.0%  0:00.00   1    12           18  9.27M    88K          412K          124K         17.7M
  122 update       0.0%  0:02.50   1     9           15  9.22M    48K          404K          120K         17.6M
  120 netinfod     0.0%  0:12.23   1    10           30  26.5M   196K          528K          372K         27.0M
   95 notifyd      0.0%  0:06.13   2    60           26  17.8M   164K          432K          264K         18.2M
   90 diskarbitr   0.0%  0:01.05   1    94           28  18.3M   432K          940K         1.04M         27.2M
   89 configd      0.0%  0:00.81   3   135          171  18.7M   612K         1.75M         2.08M         29.3M
   87 kextd        0.0%  0:03.47   2    17           23  27.8M  1.55M          848K         1.72M         28.7M
   81 syslogd      0.0%  0:01.50   1    10           17  17.2M   108K          428K          212K         17.7M
    2 mach_init    0.0%  0:00.49   2   201           18  9.73M   144K          436K          236K         18.2M
    1 init         0.0%  0:00.04   1    12           16  9.22M   108K          420K          296K         17.6M
    0 kernel_tas   0.3%  0:53.91  34     2         2171  19.7M  16.8M            0K         72.5M(  48K)   737M(  -4K)
<p>And here&rsquo;s what ps ax had to say:</p>
  PID  TT  STAT      TIME COMMAND
    1  ??  Ss     0:00.04 &#x2f;sbin&#x2f;init -v
    2  ??  Ss     0:00.49 &#x2f;sbin&#x2f;mach_init -v
   81  ??  Ss     0:01.50 &#x2f;usr&#x2f;sbin&#x2f;syslogd -s -m 0
   87  ??  Ss     0:03.47 kextd
   89  ??  Ss     0:00.81 &#x2f;usr&#x2f;sbin&#x2f;configd
   90  ??  Ss     0:01.05 &#x2f;usr&#x2f;sbin&#x2f;diskarbitrationd
   95  ??  Ss     0:06.13 &#x2f;usr&#x2f;sbin&#x2f;notifyd
  120  ??  Ss     0:12.23 netinfod -s local
  122  ??  Ss     0:02.51 update
  126  ??  Ss     0:00.00 dynamic_pager -F &#x2f;private&#x2f;var&#x2f;vm&#x2f;swapfile
  129  ??  Ss     0:00.19 SystemStarter -gr -v
  130  ??  Ss     0:03.83 &#x2f;System&#x2f;Library&#x2f;CoreServices&#x2f;coreservicesd
  144  ??  Ss     0:00.01 cron
  152  ??  Ss     0:00.05 &#x2f;usr&#x2f;sbin&#x2f;mDNSResponder
  158  ??  Ss     0:00.00 &#x2f;usr&#x2f;sbin&#x2f;KernelEventAgent
  159  ??  Ss     0:00.76 &#x2f;usr&#x2f;sbin&#x2f;distnoted
  178  ??  Ss     0:00.44 &#x2f;System&#x2f;Library&#x2f;CoreServices&#x2f;SecurityServer -X
  187  ??  S      0:00.03 &#x2f;usr&#x2f;libexec&#x2f;ioupsd
  208  ??  Ss     0:00.89 &#x2f;usr&#x2f;sbin&#x2f;DirectoryService
  226  ??  Ss     0:00.01 &#x2f;usr&#x2f;libexec&#x2f;crashreporterd
  239  ??  Ss     0:35.77 &#x2f;usr&#x2f;sbin&#x2f;lookupd
  278  ??  Ss     0:00.00 nfsiod -n 4
  287  ??  Ss     0:00.00 rpc.lockd -w
  291  ??  Ss     0:00.61 ntpd -f &#x2f;var&#x2f;run&#x2f;ntp.drift -p &#x2f;var&#x2f;run&#x2f;ntpd.pid
  295  ??  Ss     0:00.73 &#x2f;usr&#x2f;sbin&#x2f;cupsd
  297  ??  Ss     0:00.76 &#x2f;usr&#x2f;sbin&#x2f;automount -f -m &#x2f;Network -nsl
  308  ??  Ss     0:00.02 &#x2f;usr&#x2f;sbin&#x2f;automount -f -m &#x2f;automount&#x2f;Servers -fstab -mnt &#x2f;private&#x2f;Network&#x2f;Servers -m &#x2f;automount&#x2f;static -static
  335  ??  Ss     0:10.89 &#x2f;System&#x2f;Library&#x2f;Frameworks&#x2f;ApplicationServices.framework&#x2f;Frameworks&#x2f;ATS.framework&#x2f;Support&#x2f;ATSServer
  712  ??  Ss     0:00.03 &#x2f;opt&#x2f;kde&#x2f;share&#x2f;MacBundles&#x2f;kdeinit.app&#x2f;Contents&#x2f;MacOS&#x2f;kdeinit --suicide
  716  ??  S      0:00.08 &#x2f;opt&#x2f;kde&#x2f;share&#x2f;MacBundles&#x2f;dcopserver.app&#x2f;Contents&#x2f;MacOS&#x2f;dcopserver --nosid --suicide
  718  ??  S      0:00.66 &#x2f;opt&#x2f;kde&#x2f;share&#x2f;MacBundles&#x2f;kdeinit.app&#x2f;Contents&#x2f;MacOS&#x2f;kdeinit --suicide
  727  ??  S      0:00.57 &#x2f;opt&#x2f;kde&#x2f;share&#x2f;MacBundles&#x2f;kdeinit.app&#x2f;Contents&#x2f;MacOS&#x2f;kdeinit --suicide
  729  ??  S      0:00.09 &#x2f;opt&#x2f;kde&#x2f;share&#x2f;MacBundles&#x2f;kdeinit.app&#x2f;Contents&#x2f;MacOS&#x2f;kdeinit --suicide
  730  ??  S      0:00.26 &#x2f;opt&#x2f;kde&#x2f;share&#x2f;MacBundles&#x2f;kdeinit.app&#x2f;Contents&#x2f;MacOS&#x2f;kdeinit --suicide
  731  ??  S      0:05.90 &#x2f;opt&#x2f;kde&#x2f;share&#x2f;MacBundles&#x2f;artsd.app&#x2f;Contents&#x2f;MacOS&#x2f;artsd -F 10 -S 4096 -s 60 -m artsmessage -l 3 -f
  746  ??  Ss     0:00.88 &#x2f;System&#x2f;Library&#x2f;CoreServices&#x2f;loginwindow.app&#x2f;Contents&#x2f;MacOS&#x2f;loginwindow console
  748  ??  Ss     2:28.97 &#x2f;System&#x2f;Library&#x2f;Frameworks&#x2f;ApplicationServices.framework&#x2f;Frameworks&#x2f;CoreGraphics.framework&#x2f;Resources&#x2f;WindowSer
  754  ??  Ss     0:00.22 &#x2f;System&#x2f;Library&#x2f;CoreServices&#x2f;pbs
  756  ??  S      0:02.42 &#x2f;System&#x2f;Library&#x2f;CoreServices&#x2f;Dock.app&#x2f;Contents&#x2f;MacOS&#x2f;Dock -psn_0_393217
  758  ??  S      0:18.81 &#x2f;System&#x2f;Library&#x2f;CoreServices&#x2f;SystemUIServer.app&#x2f;Contents&#x2f;MacOS&#x2f;SystemUIServer -psn_0_524289
  759  ??  S      0:12.13 &#x2f;System&#x2f;Library&#x2f;CoreServices&#x2f;Finder.app&#x2f;Contents&#x2f;MacOS&#x2f;Finder -psn_0_655361
  766  ??  S      0:00.25 &#x2f;Applications&#x2f;iCal.app&#x2f;Contents&#x2f;Resources&#x2f;iCalAlarmScheduler.app&#x2f;Contents&#x2f;MacOS&#x2f;iCalAlarmScheduler -psn_0_7864
  771  ??  Ss     0:00.04 &#x2f;opt&#x2f;kde&#x2f;share&#x2f;MacBundles&#x2f;kdeinit.app&#x2f;Contents&#x2f;MacOS&#x2f;kdeinit --suicide
  774  ??  S      0:00.13 &#x2f;opt&#x2f;kde&#x2f;share&#x2f;MacBundles&#x2f;dcopserver.app&#x2f;Contents&#x2f;MacOS&#x2f;dcopserver --nosid --suicide
  778  ??  S      0:42.85 &#x2f;opt&#x2f;kde&#x2f;share&#x2f;MacBundles&#x2f;kded.app&#x2f;Contents&#x2f;MacOS&#x2f;kded
  791  ??  S      0:45.29 &#x2f;opt&#x2f;kde&#x2f;share&#x2f;MacBundles&#x2f;kdeinit.app&#x2f;Contents&#x2f;MacOS&#x2f;kdeinit --suicide
  792  ??  S      1:58.80 &#x2f;Applications&#x2f;Safari.app&#x2f;Contents&#x2f;MacOS&#x2f;Safari -psn_0_2097153
  793  ??  S      0:00.84 &#x2f;System&#x2f;Library&#x2f;CoreServices&#x2f;SecurityAgent.app&#x2f;Contents&#x2f;MacOS&#x2f;SecurityAgent
  794  ??  S      0:01.78 &#x2f;System&#x2f;Library&#x2f;Services&#x2f;AppleSpell.service&#x2f;Contents&#x2f;MacOS&#x2f;AppleSpell -psn_0_2359297
  797  ??  S      0:12.63 &#x2f;System&#x2f;Library&#x2f;Components&#x2f;CharacterPalette.component&#x2f;Contents&#x2f;SharedSupport&#x2f;CharPaletteServer.app&#x2f;Contents&#x2f;Ma
  803  ??  S      0:15.52 &#x2f;Applications&#x2f;Utilities&#x2f;Terminal.app&#x2f;Contents&#x2f;MacOS&#x2f;Terminal -psn_0_2883585
  809  ??  S      0:11.09 &#x2f;Applications&#x2f;Mail.app&#x2f;Contents&#x2f;MacOS&#x2f;Mail -psn_0_3276801
  821  ??  S      0:00.60 &#x2f;opt&#x2f;kde&#x2f;share&#x2f;MacBundles&#x2f;kdeinit.app&#x2f;Contents&#x2f;MacOS&#x2f;kdeinit --suicide
  822  ??  S      0:00.02 sh &#x2f;Applications&#x2f;KDE&#x2f;Science&#x2f;KBoincSpy.app&#x2f;Contents&#x2f;MacOS&#x2f;kboincspy.sh -psn_0_3801089
  823  ??  S      1:12.41 &#x2f;opt&#x2f;kde&#x2f;share&#x2f;MacBundles&#x2f;kboincspy.app&#x2f;Contents&#x2f;MacOS&#x2f;kboincspy --icon kboincspy --miniicon kboincspy -captio
  825  ??  S      0:01.09 &#x2f;opt&#x2f;kde&#x2f;share&#x2f;MacBundles&#x2f;kio_uiserver.app&#x2f;Contents&#x2f;MacOS&#x2f;kio_uiserver
  826  ??  S      0:05.90 &#x2f;Applications&#x2f;BBEdit&#x2f;BBEdit.app&#x2f;Contents&#x2f;MacOS&#x2f;BBEdit -psn_0_4063233
  835  ??  S      0:11.58 &#x2f;Applications&#x2f;TextEdit.app&#x2f;Contents&#x2f;MacOS&#x2f;TextEdit -psn_0_4456449
  804  p1  Ss     0:00.04 login -pf root
  805  p1  S      0:00.03 -bash
  811  p1  S+     0:01.75 boinc_4.13_powerpc-apple-darwin
  812  p1  RN+   45:56.09 setiathome_4.02_powerpc-apple-darwin
  827 std  Ss     0:00.02 login -pf root
  828 std  S      0:00.03 -bash
  838 std  R+     0:00.01 ps ax
<p>Finally, here&rsquo;s Titania's profile from Apple System Profiler:</p>
Hardware:
    Hardware Overview:
      Machine Model: PowerBook G4 15&quot;
      CPU Type: PowerPC G4  (3.3)
      Number Of CPUs: 1
      CPU Speed: 867 MHz
      L2 Cache (per CPU): 256 KB
      L3 Cache (per CPU): 1 MB
      Memory: 768 MB
      Bus Speed: 133 MHz
      Boot ROM Version: 4.5.3f2
      Serial Number: 
Software:
    System Software Overview:
      System Version: Mac OS X 10.3.6 (7R28)
      Kernel Version: Darwin 7.6.0
      Boot Volume: Carbon
      Computer Name: Titania
      User Name: 
Network:
    Built-in Ethernet:
      Interface: en0
      Type: Ethernet
      IP Address: (&quot;192.168.1.47&quot;)
      Subnet Mask: (&quot;255.255.255.0&quot;)
      Broadcast Address: (&quot;192.168.1.255&quot;)
      Router Address: 192.168.1.1
      DNS Servers: (&quot;192.168.1.1&quot;, &quot;192.168.1.1&quot;)
      Domain: 
      Ethernet Address: 
Memory:
    SODIMM0/J16TOP:
      Size: 512 MB
      Type: SDRAM
      Speed: PC133U-333
    SODIMM1/J16BOTTOM:
      Size: 256 MB
      Type: SDRAM
      Speed: PC133U-333
PCI/AGP Cards:
    TXN,PCI1410-02:
      Name: cardbus
      Type: cardbus
      Bus: PCI
      Slot: PC Card
      Vendor ID: 0x104c
      Device ID: 0xac50
      Revision ID: 0x0002
    ATY,RV250M9:
      Type: display
      Bus: AGP
      VRAM (Total): 32 MB
      Vendor: ATI (0x1002)
      Device ID: 0x4c66
      Revision ID: 0x0001
      ROM Revision: 113-xxxxx-106
        Display:
          Type: display
          Display Type: LCD
          VRAM (In Use): 32 MB
          Resolution: 1280 x 854
          Depth: 32-bit Color
          Main Display: Yes
          Mirror: Off
          Online: Yes
        ATY,Xia_B:
          Status: No display connected
ATA:
    ATA-4 Bus:
        TOSHIBA MK4021GAS:
          Capacity: 37.26 GB
          Model: TOSHIBA MK4021GAS
          Revision: GA225B
          Serial Number: 53RC0935T
          Removable Media: No
          Detachable Drive: No
          BSD Name: disk0
          Protocol: ATA
          Unit Number: 0
          Socket Type: Internal
          OS9 Drivers: Yes
            Classic:
              Capacity: 5 GB
              Available: 3.33 GB
              Writable: Yes
              File System: Journaled HFS+
              BSD Name: disk0s9
              Mount Point: /Volumes/Classic
            Carbon:
              Capacity: 25 GB
              Available: 14.25 GB
              Writable: Yes
              File System: Journaled HFS+
              BSD Name: disk0s10
              Mount Point: /
            Clarus:
              Capacity: 264.62 MB
              Available: 239.68 MB
              Writable: Yes
              File System: HFS
              BSD Name: disk0s12
              Mount Point: /Volumes/Clarus
    ATA-3 Bus:
        MATSHITA CD-RW CW-8121:
          Manufacturer: MATSHITA
          Model: MATSHITA CD-RW CW-8121
          Revision: AA21
          Serial Number: 
          Drive Type: CD-RW/DVD-ROM
          Disc Burning: Apple Supported/Shipped
          Removable Media: Yes
          Detachable Drive: No
          Protocol: ATAPI
          Unit Number: 0
          Socket Type: Internal
SCSI:
USB:
    USB Bus:
      Vendor Name: Apple Computer, Inc.
      Product ID: 32773 ($8005)
      Speed: Up to 12 Mb/sec
      Bus Power (mA): 500
        Apple Optical USB Mouse:
          Vendor Name: Fujitsu Takamisawa Component
          Speed: Up to 1.5 Mb/sec
          Product ID: 770 ($302)
          Bus Power (mA): 500
    USB Bus:
      Vendor Name: Apple Computer, Inc.
      Product ID: 32773 ($8005)
      Speed: Up to 12 Mb/sec
      Bus Power (mA): 500
        DeskJet 930C:
          Vendor Name: Hewlett-Packard
          Product ID: 4612 ($1204)
          Speed: Up to 12 Mb/sec
          Serial Number: MY05F1F0JQJL
          Bus Power (mA): 500
FireWire:
    FireWire Bus:
      Speed: 400 Mb/sec Speed
        LaCie Hard Drive FireWire+:
          Capacity: 232.89 GB
          Manufacturer: LaCie Group SA
          Model: LaCie Hard Drive FireWire+
          Removable Media: No
          Detachable Drive: Yes
          BSD Name: disk1
          OS9 Drivers: Yes
          Speed: 400 Mb/sec Speed
          Unit Spec Id: 24734
          Firmware Revision: 15.0
          Unit Software Version: 10483
            Hypatia:
              Capacity: 232.88 GB
              Available: 116.67 GB
              Writable: Yes
              File System: HFS+
              BSD Name: disk1s9
              Mount Point: /Volumes/Hypatia
AirPort Card:
Modems:
    Modem Information:
      Modem Model: MicroDash
      Firmware Version: APPLE VERSION 2.6.3
      Country: B5 (United States, Latin America)
      Driver: InternalUSBModem.kext (v2.6.3)
      Interface Type: USB
      SKU Name: UCJ
      Modulation: V.92
      Hardware Version: 1.0F
<p>I'll repost as soon as I finish off a few work units. Maybe then you could give me a hand compiling PearPC &mdash; I&rsquo;ve been wanting to get rid of my Performa 6360 for a while, but not without first finding a decent ppc603ev emulator.</p><p>That pretty much wraps everything up to now. Goodnight! Zzzz.....</p>
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Message 49916 - Posted: 29 Nov 2004, 13:15:31 UTC - in response to Message 49900.  
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Thanks for the very detailed report! Practically all of the bugs are KDE on Darwin bugs, about which I cannot do much other than try to work around them :-/.

> kinda shaky foundation. Have you considered doing a port to Fink before going the KDE on Darwin route?

That's actually how it started. Originally, it was my intention to do a Fink port and just stop there. Fink stable is hopelessly stuck at KDE 3.1.x, and there are too many things that break without at least 3.2. So my original intention was to upgrade to unstable, that has the latest KDE (3.3.1). Upgrading to unstable, it started compiling a lot of stuff from source (even tar!!! That freaked me out!). This being PearPC, compiling Qt, aRts and KDE from source would put my machine out of commission for at least 2-3 weeks.
KDE on Darwin was there, precompiled and nicely packaged, so the choice was obvious. According to Benjamin Reed's blog, he has started working on it again (KDE on Darwin has been on ice since April of this year), and that too weighted in favor of it.

> Double-clicking localhost?Processor in tree mode does not bring up the Processor pane.

> Double-clicking localhost in tree mode does not reveal SETI@home, CPU1, Cache, Client, nor Processor.

If tree mode doesn't work properly, then I'm going to remove it.
Doing this port, my general policy is:
1. If I have to add a lot of code, it must be for something that works on both native Mac and X11. Adding just a few lines of code on the Mac, on the other hand, is OK.
2. If something doesn't work on Mac, and fixing it requires too effort, I'd rather remove it.
In the case of tree mode, it's easier removing it: KBoincSpy defaults to icon mode, so if I remove the menu entry that selects tree mode (it's just a single line modification), nobody is ever going to know it's there.

> Tabs are not clearly labeled for closing, mostly because the ? doesn't repaint fast enough.

In future versions, there's going to be the choice between single panel view and tabbed panels. As above, since tabs don't work very well on Mac, I'll disabled tabbed view on Mac.

> More than four panes causes the browser pane to be squished.

On X11, left/right arrows appear so you can scroll tabs, so it's not an issue there. Unfortunately, it's an issue on Mac OS X.

> Links open up with Konqueror

They open with whatever browser KDE says it's the default browser. It should be just a matter of going to Konqueror's preferences dialog, select File associations, type .html, add a different browser, and set it as default. This creates a desktop entry. As soon as I figure out what's the right desktop entry to launch Safari, I'll include in the package, so that a user doesnt' have to go and change file associations.

> The WindowShade button (on the right of the title bar) is useless - Nix it.
> The same goes for the Messages window.

If it's accessible from Qt, I will.

> The sort order triangle in the column labels weren?t visible unless you were actively clicking it.

One of the many GUI glitches of KDE/Mac. An amusing one I've noticed is the icon of the main window changing randomly from time to time.

> The Calibration Pane is hard to read, especially the table.

I'll try to re-design it in the next version. The problem is that it has to show a lot of stuff in a very limited space.

> The Sky Map is good, but it would be nice to see KStars

Integration with KStars is in my list too. The problem is that there are too many other things in that list too :-).

> The Configure KBoincSpy pane has a System Tray field.

It should be disabled. Check that it is. Removing it altogether is too much effort.

> Do the menu items? keyboard equivalents have to include control?

I don't set the keyboard equivalents, KDE does. Another KDE/Mac (but this one might actually be Qt/Mac) quirk.

> All in all, KBoincSpy has been the best behaved KDE on Darwin app
> I?ve used thus far. Smoke ?em if you got ?em!

Thanks :-).

> It hasn?t crashed, somnambulated, hung, or submarined.

... yet :-). I hope it will be still running when you wake up.

Thanks again for the extremely thorough bug report. I'll try to come up with a new version addressing some of these issues withing a couple of weeks. Hopefully by that time there will be a new KDE/Mac release as well, fixing some of the UI bugs.

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Message 49964 - Posted: 29 Nov 2004, 19:36:57 UTC - in response to Message 49916.  
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That's actually how it started. Originally, it was my intention to do a Fink port and just stop there. Fink stable is hopelessly stuck at KDE 3.1.x, and there are too many things that break without at least 3.2.
That's why I still have Yellow Dog installed on /dev/rdisk0s11. apt-getting has been a pain, but it's more stable and complete than KDE on Darwin or Finked X11.

Doing this port, my general policy is:
Absolutely right. I know there's a Unix-to-Mac porting guide that Apple put out (where did I put it?), but doing a Carbon or Cocoa port is not going to be worth the effort - I see from the user host lists that there are very few ppcs actively crunching using BOINC.

In the case of tree mode, it's easier removing it: KBoincSpy defaults to icon mode, so if I remove the menu entry that selects tree mode (it's just a single line modification), nobody is ever going to know it's there.
Problem solved. :)

>>Tabs are not clearly labeled for closing, mostly because the &otimes; doesn't repaint fast enough.
>In future versions, there's going to be the choice between single panel view and tabbed panels. As above, since tabs don't work very well on Mac, I'll disabled tabbed view on Mac.
I had assumed that it would be one pane at a time.

On X11, left/right arrows appear so you can scroll tabs, so it's not an issue there. Unfortunately, it's an issue on Mac OS X.
I had forgotten that the KDE UI does that - It explains a lot!

They open with whatever browser KDE says it's the default browser.
Just fixed it to open up Safari. It appears that even though KControl crashes and submarines majestically, the File Associations app runs fine. The only "oops" involved is that KDE will start up a new instance of Safari instead of reusing an existing one.

Oops. But not a problem to worry about.

>>The sort order triangle in the column labels weren't visible unless you were actively clicking it.
>One of the many GUI glitches of KDE/Mac. An amusing one I've noticed is the icon of the main window changing randomly from time to time.
I was getting the US I18N flag, then Konsole's icon, then an open folder icon... It's like playing the lotto (but without the big money payout).

>>The Configure KBoincSpy pane has a System Tray field.
>It should be disabled. Check that it is. Removing it altogether is too much effort.
You're right - I didn't notice it.

>>Do the menu items? keyboard equivalents have to include control?
>I don't set the keyboard equivalents, KDE does. Another KDE/Mac (but this one might actually be Qt/Mac) quirk.
Phooey. Oh well.

>>It hasn't crashed, somnambulated, hung, or submarined.
>... yet :-). I hope it will be still running when you wake up.
Actually, it was BOINC what crashed last night, but KBoincSpy was still running. Once I finish off a few work units and find out how to specify where BOINC should store its files, I'm going to drop back to X.2.3 and check from there.

Anyway, one last bug I've found (You don't get off that easily!). The columns in the Messages window do not remember the column order nor its sort order when KBoincSpy is relaunched. Oh, and I've had that sort order issue (&#x25bc; v. &#x25b2;) again, only this time the selected column does not highlight. To top that off, other apps have similar problems...

There's a Troll hiding inside this Technology, so consider youself off the hook. It's most likely a KDE UI problem.
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Message 49967 - Posted: 29 Nov 2004, 20:18:13 UTC - in response to Message 49964.  
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> The columns in the Messages window do not remember the column order nor its sort order when KBoincSpy is relaunched.
I'll take the blame for this one :-). Saving the column and sort order is something I forgot to implement in this version.

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Message 50085 - Posted: 30 Nov 2004, 3:55:30 UTC - in response to Message 49967.  

Well, I've had KBoincSpy up for ages now... at least 12 hrs. without a hitch. During that time artsd had bombed out.

Still looking good!
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Congratulations @ your job, Roberto! ;-)

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Message 50215 - Posted: 30 Nov 2004, 18:00:16 UTC
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Date&#x2f;Time:      2004-11-30 12:54:12 -0500
OS Version:     10.3.6 (Build 7R28)
Report Version: 2

Command: kboincspy
Path:    &#x2f;opt&#x2f;kde&#x2f;share&#x2f;MacBundles&#x2f;kboincspy.app&#x2f;Contents&#x2f;MacOS&#x2f;kboincspy
Version: ??? (???)
PID:     1254
Thread:  0

Exception:  EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
Codes:      KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS (0x0001) at 0xe8ff97b4

Thread 0 Crashed:
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Message 50218 - Posted: 30 Nov 2004, 18:11:09 UTC - in response to Message 50215.  

You had to say "yet" in 49916, didn't you?

Well, it's been 24hrs, and I finally got KBoincSpy to crash by detatching from the SETI@home project from the Terminal. The Apple Crash Report is above. I'd give you KDE's crash report, but that crashed ages ago...

I'm still half-asleep right now so I'll come back to the post to explain once I'm awake...
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Message 50223 - Posted: 30 Nov 2004, 19:27:57 UTC

@Bruno: Thanks!
> Clear skies from Italy!
Hmmm. Are you sure about that? :-) Here in Milan has been raining the last couple of days.

@NeoAmsterdam:
I knew it! It was too good to be true. :-)
I've looked at the code, and I'm not sure it's my fault. I added some more checks, just in case.

- Roberto

PS. At least it crashed long after the KDE Crash Report application crashed! I consider that almost a triumph.

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Message 51045 - Posted: 3 Dec 2004, 22:58:54 UTC - in response to Message 50223.  

I've looked at the code, and I'm not sure it's my fault.
I've got to agree with that!

At least it crashed long after the KDE Crash Report application crashed! I consider that almost a triumph.
Let's put it this way, have you ever been able to keep KControl, KGeo, or artsd open and running for more than 3 sec.? KBoincSpy was up for 24 hrs - Break out the champagne! :-D
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