MooWrapper project..what is it?

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Michael Buckingham Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 21 Aug 99 Posts: 4413 Credit: 2,663,817 RAC: 0	Message 1248028 - Posted: 18 Jun 2012, 18:30:19 UTC Last modified: 18 Jun 2012, 18:30:26 UTC
	I am not hearing good things about that project..what is it? Should I avoid it? ____________ http://www.mikesbawx.org/photo/
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Chris S Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 19 Nov 00 Posts: 22614 Credit: 4,497,695 RAC: 6,015	Message 1248037 - Posted: 18 Jun 2012, 18:48:41 UTC
	It pays more RAC than any other ATI project at the moment. ____________ Damsel Rescuer, Kitty Patron, Raccoon Friend, Uli Fan, Julie Supporter, ES99 Admirer, Dishonourable Mentions **
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skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 8940 Credit: 36,378,838 RAC: 55,924	Message 1248063 - Posted: 18 Jun 2012, 19:40:35 UTC - in response to Message 1248037.
	This project is very similar and IIRC brought to you by the same people that did DNETC. ____________ Proud member of TSWB. End terrorism by building a school
	ID: 1248063 ·

Michael Buckingham Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 21 Aug 99 Posts: 4413 Credit: 2,663,817 RAC: 0	Message 1248115 - Posted: 18 Jun 2012, 22:30:35 UTC
	How come people think it is a front for crooks? ____________ http://www.mikesbawx.org/photo/
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msattler Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 34121 Credit: 342,106,553 RAC: 538,510	Message 1248123 - Posted: 18 Jun 2012, 22:52:36 UTC - in response to Message 1248115. Last modified: 18 Jun 2012, 22:53:21 UTC
	How come people think it is a front for crooks? And what could they have to gain by running a distributed computing project? ____________ ****** "Ask not, what your kitty can do for you. Ask what you can do for your kitty." As it is kitten, so shall it be done.
	ID: 1248123 ·

Michael Buckingham Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 21 Aug 99 Posts: 4413 Credit: 2,663,817 RAC: 0	Message 1248157 - Posted: 19 Jun 2012, 0:43:58 UTC - in response to Message 1248123.
	How come people think it is a front for crooks? And what could they have to gain by running a distributed computing project? shrug cracking passwords? ____________ http://www.mikesbawx.org/photo/
	ID: 1248157 ·

Ex Volunteer moderator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 12 Mar 12 Posts: 2883 Credit: 1,156,235 RAC: 857	Message 1248213 - Posted: 19 Jun 2012, 4:39:41 UTC
	No one knows what you crunch for them?? Hmm. Maybe they're making people mine bitcoin for them. ____________ -Dave #2 3.2.0-33
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Chris S Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 19 Nov 00 Posts: 22614 Credit: 4,497,695 RAC: 6,015	Message 1248295 - Posted: 19 Jun 2012, 9:24:25 UTC
	How come people think it is a front for crooks? Do you mean Freehal?
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Michael Buckingham Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 21 Aug 99 Posts: 4413 Credit: 2,663,817 RAC: 0	Message 1248298 - Posted: 19 Jun 2012, 10:26:36 UTC - in response to Message 1248295.
	How come people think it is a front for crooks? Do you mean Freehal? Nah, I have a couple of my team members saying my team should stop supporting them because they are a front for crooks... I'm trying to run this down and get some information (truth)... ____________ http://www.mikesbawx.org/photo/
	ID: 1248298 ·

Chris S Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 19 Nov 00 Posts: 22614 Credit: 4,497,695 RAC: 6,015	Message 1248323 - Posted: 19 Jun 2012, 11:30:53 UTC
	As far as I know Mike, Moowrapper is squeaky clean, and has a link to the previous DNETC project. There has been some similar trouble at Freehal though, so it could be that your team members have heard some mistaken rumours. Freehal
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skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 8940 Credit: 36,378,838 RAC: 55,924	Message 1248336 - Posted: 19 Jun 2012, 12:56:26 UTC
	the problem I saw with DNETC and distributed.net is the minor prize ($10,000) of which 90% goes right to DNETC/distributed.net So in essence they've already awarded themselves $9,000 and you'd get $1,000 if and when you returned the correct results. The problem is and was that even with all the massive GPU Workers out there it was still going to take 80+ years to do all the possible combinations. If it takes that many PC's/GPU's to break a code its unlikely to be broken in a reasonable amount of time and quite likely is safe for use. The moowrapper is now searching for a key that is 1 exponent more difficult to break. I can't think of a plausible reason to run that project unless you're just out for making BOINC credit ____________ Proud member of TSWB. End terrorism by building a school
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Mike Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 17 Feb 01 Posts: 19452 Credit: 21,052,340 RAC: 26,897	Message 1248341 - Posted: 19 Jun 2012, 13:27:37 UTC
	I totally agree skildude. ____________
	ID: 1248341 ·

Carlos Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 9701 Credit: 24,505,366 RAC: 4,679	Message 1248342 - Posted: 19 Jun 2012, 13:28:40 UTC - in response to Message 1248157.
	How come people think it is a front for crooks? And what could they have to gain by running a distributed computing project? shrug cracking passwords? You might also recall Riesel Sieve. It was closed by the FBI. Charges were never filed but the host computer system was confiscated and the project managers had to go into hiding for a while.
	ID: 1248342 ·

Sirius B Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 6665 Credit: 1,280,210 RAC: 712	Message 1248357 - Posted: 19 Jun 2012, 14:25:50 UTC - in response to Message 1248123.
	How come people think it is a front for crooks? And what could they have to gain by running a distributed computing project? ...all those lovely live e-mail addies. ____________
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Chris S Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 19 Nov 00 Posts: 22614 Credit: 4,497,695 RAC: 6,015	Message 1248435 - Posted: 19 Jun 2012, 21:33:37 UTC
	You might also recall Riesel Sieve. It was closed by the FBI. Charges were never filed but the host computer system was confiscated and the project managers had to go into hiding for a while. Where did you get that information from? From 2010 onward, the Riesel Sieve investigation has been taken over by another distributed computing project, PrimeGrid.
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Sten-Arne Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 1 Nov 08 Posts: 2682 Credit: 7,579,935 RAC: 23,862	Message 1248442 - Posted: 19 Jun 2012, 21:43:38 UTC - in response to Message 1248435. Last modified: 19 Jun 2012, 21:44:56 UTC
	You might also recall Riesel Sieve. It was closed by the FBI. Charges were never filed but the host computer system was confiscated and the project managers had to go into hiding for a while. Where did you get that information from? From 2010 onward, the Riesel Sieve investigation has been taken over by another distributed computing project, PrimeGrid. The FBI crap is a lie spread by the people who ran the project themselves. There's not one iota of proof to that crazy tale at all. ____________ /The grumpy old Swede. "I'm so old, that 98% of all trees in the forest, are younger than I am"
	ID: 1248442 ·

Carlos Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 9701 Credit: 24,505,366 RAC: 4,679	Message 1248444 - Posted: 19 Jun 2012, 21:58:05 UTC - in response to Message 1248435. Last modified: 19 Jun 2012, 22:00:17 UTC
	You might also recall Riesel Sieve. It was closed by the FBI. Charges were never filed but the host computer system was confiscated and the project managers had to go into hiding for a while. Where did you get that information from? From 2010 onward, the Riesel Sieve investigation has been taken over by another distributed computing project, PrimeGrid. I was one of the top users (think I was number 2 in RAC) when they were closed down back in July of 2008. I was in conversation with the two guys running it. [Lee Stephens and James Stephens] They were suspected of trying to break passwords which is why they were closed down so abruptly. The suspicion was never proven, no charges were ever filed, and eventually the equipment was given back to them. I tried to find the threads discussed this but it seems the links are all dead. And yes, after it all blew over they gave the equipment and data to the PrimeGrid people where the project continues to run. It is possible that it was a lie, but I was asked to help as an attorney, which I did.
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Sten-Arne Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 1 Nov 08 Posts: 2682 Credit: 7,579,935 RAC: 23,862	Message 1248449 - Posted: 19 Jun 2012, 22:04:37 UTC - in response to Message 1248444. Last modified: 19 Jun 2012, 22:05:18 UTC
	You might also recall Riesel Sieve. It was closed by the FBI. Charges were never filed but the host computer system was confiscated and the project managers had to go into hiding for a while. Where did you get that information from? From 2010 onward, the Riesel Sieve investigation has been taken over by another distributed computing project, PrimeGrid. I was one of the top users (think I was number 2 in RAC) when they were closed down back in July of 2008. I was in conversation with the two guys running it. [Lee Stephens and James Stephens] They were suspected of trying to break passwords which is why they were closed down so abruptly. The suspicion was never proven, no charges were ever filed, and eventually the equipment was given back to them. I tried to find the threads discussed this but it seems the links are all dead. And yes, after it all blew over they gave the equipment and data to the PrimeGrid people where the project continues to run. It is possible that it was a lie, but I was asked to help as an attorney, which I did. But if you helped them as an attorney, then you must be able to prove that it really happened, that the FBI really shut them down. How can you say that it is possible it was a lie, if you helped them against FBI? ____________ /The grumpy old Swede. "I'm so old, that 98% of all trees in the forest, are younger than I am"
	ID: 1248449 ·

Gary Charpentier Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 10313 Credit: 5,067,336 RAC: 6,402	Message 1248481 - Posted: 19 Jun 2012, 23:13:11 UTC - in response to Message 1248449.
	But if you helped them as an attorney, then you must be able to prove that it really happened, that the FBI really shut them down. How can you say that it is possible it was a lie, if you helped them against FBI? He can't break client confidentiality, if he really worked on it. ____________
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Sten-Arne Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 1 Nov 08 Posts: 2682 Credit: 7,579,935 RAC: 23,862	Message 1248486 - Posted: 19 Jun 2012, 23:26:03 UTC - in response to Message 1248481.
	But if you helped them as an attorney, then you must be able to prove that it really happened, that the FBI really shut them down. How can you say that it is possible it was a lie, if you helped them against FBI? He can't break client confidentiality, if he really worked on it. Yeah well, that tale was in muddy water back in 2008, and it still is. Anyhow, this is off-topic in this thread about MooWrapper, so I'll stop talking about that old tale now. ____________ /The grumpy old Swede. "I'm so old, that 98% of all trees in the forest, are younger than I am"
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