Say what
Take out bw costs & thats over $500,00 for a staff of 8 (may be more they only show 8)
to administer/develop on existing equipment "PART TIME"

Thats over $1000 a wk PART TIME
Where do I sign up

Your statement assumes all staff are part-time...not true. I assure you Eric, David A and Dr W are not part time. I believe Jeff is full-time as well.

Maybe Uli or someone else can clarify this?

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$52,000 per year for rocket scientists?
Sounds like a hell of a bargain to me. I'd double that figure if I were in charge.

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I do not fight fascists because I think I can win.
I fight them because they are fascists.
Chris Hedges

A riot is the language of the unheard. -Martin Luther King, Jr.

$52,000 per year for rocket scientists?
Sounds like a hell of a bargain to me. I'd double that figure if I were in charge.

Robert-for once we agree.... :)

It's low-balling and I suspect Dr. W makes WELL over $52,000/year

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I worked as a system admin for a period of time. Base wages, about 30 per hour, plus time and a half on overtime, double time beyond 49 hours, full medical and dental and retirement benefits. The job often ran 60+ hours a week, 24 hour stretches when things went south. And I could not (and still can not) program myself out of a wet paper bag. I did know the hardware thoroughly, and some shell scripts.

This is for a non-college(let alone doctorate) employee. Honestly if they had cut me to part time, getting me to come in for any kind of a callout EVER would have been out of the question. As it was I there was enough sleepless nights and stress that I came out of the systems going through the unix structure over and over.. and some times unable to put words together because I was actually THINKING in Unix. I gladly took the first lateral away from the environment.

Now then.. Having not seen this 2010 budget, I have seen the donations pages. Do you want to tell me there is enough there to cover it? I have not done the match, but I am not sure there is 100K/year coming in.

so even if someone is getting 1K/week for let me guess 32 hours... Yes, I would call that a bargain, especially considering the bay areas over inflated economy.
"would you like fries with that" is over 10/hr. And no one around there can live on it.

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Janice

Robert

Really, you say the Budget is a joke and then provide no link to the 2010 Budget for any kind of line by line comparison by other Seti Users.

Historically, the approved budget has been submitted to UCB. Every year that I can remember there is a shortfall.
The upside is that Seti is still here. This means that something gave way or was never realized or that the research is important enough that "Seti Survives." That we can only guess at.

So please pull out a specific line item for discussion. I see no Specific item that states "wages."

Regards

Say what
Take out bw costs & thats over $500,00 for a staff of 8 (may be more they only show 8)
to administer/develop on existing equipment "PART TIME"

Thats over $1000 a wk PART TIME
Where do I sign up

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Please consider a Donation to the Seti Project.

If I read that budget correctly, the only non-wage in the budget is the internet connection at $110,000. All other costs are probably wages and estimated user time in wages to get things done

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In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face.
Diogenes Of Sinope

Your statement assumes all staff are part-time...not true. I assure you Eric, David A and Dr W are not part time. I believe Jeff is full-time as well.

Maybe Uli or someone else can clarify this?

So your saying David A And Dr W spend full time on seti
That They spend little or no time administrating their other projects
like boinc SERENDIP, Optical SETI, and CASPER or actually teaching

2010 Budget

Preparation for followup observations 6,200

Looks to me like they have found something a bit interesting to have another look at.

Anyway that is what you should be taking away from this budget.

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So your saying David A And Dr W spend full time on seti
That They spend little or no time administrating their other projects
like boinc SERENDIP, Optical SETI, and CASPER or actually teaching

I don't know their exact roles or job responsibilities, Robert. I know your "part-time" statement (which means to me: part-time employment) is not correct for everyone on the Staff page. It is possible they earn extra $ out of other grants or otherwise--good for them of they do!

Still I agree with Pappa-please point out a line that says Wages.

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How much do you want you earn a year for your vocation?

Lesse........

You estimated a $1000.00 a week.

Divided amongst Eric, Matt, Jeff, Bob, and who knows how many others contribute.

That would be less that $250.00 a week, before taxes, which are usually about 20% or more.

So, let's say they are getting paid $200.00 a week.
And they burn up $40.00 a week to get to the lab.

That's down to $160.00 a week......that wouldn't keep the kitties in kibble, much less pay the electric bill.

Just getting by, not supporting the hardware or anything else the project may need to survive or even advance.

Now you know why my donation drives were so critical to get the new servers......

You provide a counterpoint to mine sometimes, Robert.

But you need to get a little dose of reality sometimes.

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So your saying David A And Dr W spend full time on seti
That They spend little or no time administrating their other projects
like boinc SERENDIP, Optical SETI, and CASPER or actually teaching

I don't know their exact roles or job responsibilities, Robert. I know your "part-time" statement (which means to me: part-time employment) is not correct for everyone on the Staff page. It is possible they earn extra $ out of other grants or otherwise--good for them of they do!

Still I agree with Pappa-please point out a line that says Wages.

As skildude said

If I read that budget correctly, the only non-wage in the budget is the internet connection at $110,000. All other costs are probably wages and estimated user time in wages to get things done

If development, administration and support, maintenance
aren't wages WHAT are they for just money for replacement parts
Just using a different name doesn't change its purpose

How much do you want you earn a year for your vocation?

Lesse........

You estimated a $1000.00 a week.

Divided amongst Eric, Matt, Jeff, Bob, and who knows how many others contribute.

That would be less that $250.00 a week, before taxes, which are usually about 20% or more.

So, let's say they are getting paid $200.00 a week.
And they burn up $40.00 a week to get to the lab.

That's down to $160.00 a week......that wouldn't keep the kitties in kibble, much less pay the electric bill.

Just getting by, not supporting the hardware or anything else the project may need to survive or even advance.

Now you know why my donation drives were so critical to get the new servers......

You provide a counterpoint to mine sometimes, Robert.

But you need to get a little dose of reality sometimes.

That's $1000 x 8
not $1000 for everybody

actually ($548,200-112,000)/52

That's $1000 x 8
not $1000 for everybody

actually ($548,200-112,000)/52

- $software
- $hardware
- $contract services
- $telescope time

And Robert what was the last time they got $548,000.00 that came in?

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/donation_history.php

Donation Rate (per day): $ 362.77

$362.77 * 7 / 8 = $285.92 Hardly $1000.00 a week is it?

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That's $1000 x 8
not $1000 for everybody

actually ($548,200-112,000)/52

- $software
- $hardware
- $contract services
- $telescope time

And Robert what was the last time they got $548,000.00 that came in?

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/donation_history.php

Donation Rate (per day): $ 362.77

$362.77 * 7 / 8 = $285.92 Hardly $1000.00 a week is it?

Whatever my misunderstanding or misquotation.......

Where do some think the money comes from??????

You and I.......as far as I can tell, there are a few big pockets supporting this project. And a lot of little ones.

I donated more this last year than I really could justify.

But, I am sure many other did too.

Wait until New Years, and I assure you, I will start another fund drive for the g-byte upgrade or some other worthy need.

I don't ask for funds for things unknown.

I need a point of attack. And the kitties shall have one.

Do not doubt me on this........

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

Hey Robert
Why the mental distress about what other people earn?
If you think a nice round number like $1,000 per week sounds good, then scoot on down to Berkeley and hand in your resume.

Personally, I couldn't get by on that little, so you'll have no competition from me for the job.

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I do not fight fascists because I think I can win.
I fight them because they are fascists.
Chris Hedges

A riot is the language of the unheard. -Martin Luther King, Jr.

That's $1000 x 8
not $1000 for everybody

actually ($548,200-112,000)/52

- $software
- $hardware
- $contract services
- $telescope time

Those Item's aren't even in the budget

And Robert what was the last time they got $548,000.00 that came in?

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/donation_history.php

Donation Rate (per day): $ 362.77

$362.77 * 7 / 8 = $285.92 Hardly $1000.00 a week is it?

Donations are not all they receive..there are grants
Seti@home is not all they work at or their only income
It's posted SETI@home Budget - Fall 2007 Report they spent $424,500
Nothing newer is posted
Thats almost half the total combined yearly incomes of the staff

Hey Robert
Why the mental distress about what other people earn?
If you think a nice round number like $1,000 per week sounds good, then scoot on down to Berkeley and hand in your resume.

Personally, I couldn't get by on that little, so you'll have no competition from me for the job.

You are missing the point
That is not their only income
They don't work 40hr a wk just doing that
as for living on $52,000 per yr as partial income Well I can get by on a LOT less

The budget is a wish list nothing more
I'm sorry no one else gets it

That's $1000 x 8
not $1000 for everybody

actually ($548,200-112,000)/52

- $software
- $hardware
- $contract services
- $telescope time

Those Item's aren't even in the budget

Robert, it is obvious you can't read a budget.

BTW I didn't see workman's compensation insurance as a line item on the budget either, but I know it is there. Just as I know that the employer FICA is there.

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That's $1000 x 8
not $1000 for everybody

actually ($548,200-112,000)/52

- $software
- $hardware
- $contract services
- $telescope time

Those Item's aren't even in the budget

Robert, it is obvious you can't read a budget.

BTW I didn't see workman's compensation insurance as a line item on the budget either, but I know it is there. Just as I know that the employer FICA is there.

I'm not going to argue with you
If you don't see my point nothing will change your mind

The staff is well payed for what they do seeing that seti@home IS NOT their total income