Actually i ll think of leaving this science project to credit another which seems to "thx" my spend cpu power more then seti does atm.

12237501 227757 15 Oct 2004 8:30:51 UTC 15 Oct 2004 8:31:55 UTC Over Client error Downloading 0.00 0.00 ---

12237502 183714 15 Oct 2004 8:30:51 UTC
15 Oct 2004 20:36:03 UTC Over Couldn't validate - missing file Done 22,828.92 61.44 0.00

12237503 172201 15 Oct 2004 8:30:52 UTC 15 Oct 2004 8:32:00 UTC Over Client error
Computing 0.00 0.00 ---

12774555 155674 19 Oct 2004 16:26:04 UTC 24 Oct 2004 4:59:15 UTC Over Success Done 34,123.71 30.32 30.32

12774560 290880 19 Oct 2004 16:26:23 UTC 22 Oct 2004 19:55:42 UTC Over Success Done 14,676.11 58.88 30.32

13859891 15996 28 Oct 2004 6:04:14 UTC 30 Oct 2004 17:49:57 UTC Over Success Done 15,856.31 53.64 0.00


If you watch this results of a work unit which i sent back to seti server yesterday then I (id 15996) got no credits granted. WHY ??? First of all there are just three who send back a result successfully without any bitching error etc, even THOUGH there is a 7 days time difference between me and two others who successfully sent it back ??? For what? Then I also ask you. Why do i get no credit if i am the second fastest guy processing the wu. I am so sick of the way the credits are handled. I was the last who got the wu , 7 days after those who had 4 days!!! in front of me processed the wu successfully.
I dont say that those who got credits dotn earn it. Its just the sick stupid part of joking my cpu off with letting it process a wu which wasnt even needed.

I am asking myself if the seti scientists got picky now and began to waste cpu power because its enough they have at all.

Thx seti, I ll prolly sign off ...

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That happens to all of us! All of us crunch some units and don't get credit for them because of several reasons! These situation though can lead to a solution in a near future and things like this will happen not so frequently, when they correct this bugs (if there is some...)! Think that you are contributing in either way by returning valid results (doing science)or sent results could not be validate (help the software to evolve to a better one)!

I am a person just happy to participate on this great project, and whatever it happens to my results sent to the server, it is not a waste of my cpu cycles!

Happy crunching!

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It seems to me you're confusing Seti with some computergame... The purpose of Seti is NOT to get as many credits as possible. Seti is "joking your cpu off" because it's Searching for Extra Terrestial Intellenge.
So what if you don't recieve any credits for a work unit... everybody probably had some work units that weren't credited correctly or not at all. The same happened to me (see below) but do you hear me complaining about it?
No, "and why not?" you may ask yourself.... Well probably because i'm not a selfish a**hole (i'm being polite now) who's only interested in his own credits and doesn't seem to care what his PC is processing... You'd probably even sign up for project that would calculate the number of steps it would take for an average human being to cover each square foot of this planet...as long as it would give you credits...
If this is all you care about, go out, buy a game, let your cpu waste it recources on that and get as many point as possible. Maybe that would make you happy

** not granted credit (but not complaining about it, just illustrating that it happens to a lot of people)

12180410 31002 14 Oct 2004 21:02:45 UTC 20 Oct 2004 10:21:24 UTC Over Success Done 19,693.49 54.02 36.37
12180411 157030 14 Oct 2004 21:03:09 UTC 25 Oct 2004 3:44:59 UTC Over Success Done 41,488.32 36.37 36.37
12180412 168900 14 Oct 2004 21:03:34 UTC 23 Oct 2004 22:04:32 UTC Over Success Done 37,276.03 65.89 0.00

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I didn't receive credit for old seti also and i was satisfied supporting the project. The point on which all my thoughts turn up site down is when i see that 4 days before i receive a wu this wu was successfully processed by exactly two persons. Four days? How can something like that happen and let my do work which goes kind of thrown away. I could have processed another one, or some other project i am on atm.

Its not the fucking credits i am bothering about, even thought the sharing sucks so much and also troubles me. Its the timing of things now. They send a WU and wait for exactly three results, thats like a simple 1 line if cmd. They can make that better tbh and everyone knows it. Things like that bring me to the point that they don't care anymore about wasted processing time. Its like "hey we have enough people with their computers at home...so we can have a 5% waste-rate".

All over the world optimization is what makes things efficient, and exactly that i don't see atm.

I don't intend to make seti bad nor to i want to leave the project but even though they are wokring on the BOINC its also time to rethink and optimize algorithms and routines which work since Boinc 0.X ...

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To say it very short ... three results are a good count to for making sure that at least one returns to validate and check out but sending wu's out even though 2 have returned and been processed succ. is ridiculous.

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> If you watch this results of a work unit which i sent back to seti server
> yesterday then I (id 15996) got no credits granted. WHY ???

Looks on the result, "Invalid".

In other words, your result is for some reason not "similar enough" to the 2 others.


Because of computers sometimes crunching wrong, often due to too much overclocking, possible bug in client or OS, and cheaters returning erroneous data, seti@home is using redundant crunching to be fairly certain a result is "correct". This of course means atleast 2 different users must crunch the same wu, but for various reasons seti@home have decided to use 3 before trying to validate.

Geez, people have short memories.

A year or two ago users were pleading with Berkeley in their hundreds to do something about the cheaters. Well, guess what - Berkeley listened and they did. It's called the credit system we now have!

Or would you rather everyone could just cheat and get as many credits as they wanted. How many would be enough - 10,000, 100,000 or a million maybe.

The reason you didn't get any credit is because you didn't contribute anything useful to the project.

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>
>but for various reasons seti@home have decided to use 3 before trying to
validate.


I'll have to find examples, I know I have seen credit givin to 2 for validation and left the third out.

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> >but for various reasons seti@home have decided to use 3 before trying to
> validate.
>
>
> I'll have to find examples, I know I have seen credit givin to 2 for
> validation and left the third out.
>

It's a reason wrote "trying to validate".

As for example, just read the thread. ;)

Easy does it, Goliath. We're all in the same boat (shuttlecraft?) on this one. Stay with it (us).
Robert

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Hey Goliath,
We're all in the same boat.

For the month of October on my machines:
wuid=3343264 29 Oct 2004 9:12:22 UTC Over SuccessDone 27,322.96 97.00 0.00
wuid=3317072 27 Oct 2004 11:24:25 UTC Over Success Done 19,395.91 43.72 0.00
wuid=3305178 28 Oct 2004 8:12:36 UTC Over Success Done 17,068.89 43.38 0.00
wuid=2850755 26 Oct 2004 8:45:44 UTC Over Success Done 15,276.05 28.83 0.00
wuid=3295180 24 Oct 2004 22:03:06 UTC Over Success Done 19,368.25 36.55 0.00
wuid=3294948 24 Oct 2004 9:54:35 UTC Over Success Done 19,542.13 36.88 0.00
wuid=2754362 23 Oct 2004 17:22:14 UTC Over Success Done 16,893.95 56.25 0.00
wuid=1721933 23 Oct 2004 17:22:14 UTC Over Success Done 8,692.86 28.94 0.00
wuid=1680597 22 Oct 2004 7:48:14 UTC Over Success Done 21,439.16 71.38 0.00
wuid=2750466 23 Oct 2004 17:22:14 UTC Over Success Done 21,420.20 71.32 0.00
wuid=2269570 23 Oct 2004 9:54:42 UTC Over Success Done 23,993.65 87.93 0.00
wuid=1756892 24 Oct 2004 22:06:47 UTC Over Success Done 20,150.42 71.54 0.00
wuid=3119906 22 Oct 2004 5:34:28 UTC Over Success Done 25,457.53 93.30 0.00
wuid=3052103 19 Oct 2004 5:39:55 UTC Over Success Done 21,852.00 80.97 0.00
wuid=2740356 7 Oct 2004 6:35:55 UTC Over Success Done 16,262.56 52.55 0.00
wuid=2740292 8 Oct 2004 0:35:35 UTC Over Success Done 16,266.19 52.56 0.00
wuid=2557648 7 Oct 2004 6:31:04 UTC Over Success Done 17,037.49 55.05 0.00

Plus 30 "Couldn't validate - missing file" results that were successfull and totaled 144.16 hrs. CPU time.

Just trying to make the best of it.
;)
TTYL
Richard

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> If you watch this results of a work unit which i sent back to seti server
> yesterday then I (id 15996) got no credits granted. WHY ???

... because your result differed significantly from the other two.

Do you think SETI should grant credit for results that are unusable?

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READ teh RULES

From a post by Paul;

From the "Rules and Policy"

===============
Liability

SETI@home and University of California assume no liability for damage to your
computer, loss of data, or any other event or condition that may occur as a
result of participating in SETI@home.

Other BOINC projects

Other projects use the same platform, BOINC, as SETI@home. You may want to
consider participating in one or more of these projects. By doing so, your
computer will do useful work even when SETI@home has no work available for
it.

These other projects are not associated with SETI@home, and we cannot vouch
for their security practices or the nature of their research. Join them at
your own risk.
==============

From the Credit Page:

Claimed credit is reported to a project when your computer communicates with
its server. The granted credit that you receive may be different from the
claimed credit, and there may be a delay of a few hours or days before it is
granted. This is because some BOINC projects grant credit only after results
have been validated.

================

From "Getting Started":

Please keep in mind:

There may be a delay of several days between when your computer reports a
result and when it is granted credit for the result. Your User page shows
you how much credit is 'pending' (claimed but not granted).
The credit-granting process starts when your computer reports a result to the
server (not when it finishes computing the result or uploading the output
files).
In rare cases (e.g. if errors occur on one or more computers) you may never
receive credit for a computation.

=================


There is no implied commitment by the developers of BOINC, any of the
projects, or anyone else that this is a "risk free" environment. Nor that it
is even worth your time. We are volunteers, they are trying to stay
responsive to us, and to create a new environment for the pursuit of science.

As much as I am unhappy with some of the day to day problems, we have come a
long way from when I first participated in the BOINC Beta program (I came in
after they had switched from the astropulse application to the SETI, for what
that is worth, though BOINC insisted that the WU were AP's).

Anyway, smile, it could be worse ...

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Semper Eadem
So long Paul, it has been a hell of a ride.

Park your ego's, fire up the computers, Science YES, Credits No.

It does not bug me as it bugs you.Read my posts about this subject that explains 0 credit etc.Seems everyone has some of these 0 credits wu's.It did confuse me and people explained why it maybe happening.Mostly caused by bad wu's in my case.

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......In Space No One Can Hear You Scream......

Gert

Credits are granted to encourage participation.
There wouldn't be many folks giving there time to this project without the credit system in place.

Also you believe this project has worthy science, many do not and are only here for the competition.

Consider this:
A lot of computer power is used 'searching for little green men', woudn't it be more beneficial to mankind if this was transfered to one of the medical research projects ?

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Since the Problem (namely, a mix of Bugs, bundeled with some architectural differences between Linux/Win32 and intel P4/AthlonXP) is known, there shouldn't be a big fuzz about it.

Unfortunate when it happens, but it will just take time before those errors will eventually disappear (assuming they're working the Problem as we speak ;) )

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Don't feel bad, I have literally several hundred of these WU's that were granted zero credit for 'couldn't validate..', and some that just say 'result - invalid state'. It happens. Server problems on Berkeley's end, client bugs as mentioned before, even PC crashes and glitches are all contributing factors. Bottom line is we are all playing on an equal field with equal problems.

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@Goliath,

Dude: Credit rage?

I did a search on Ebay and, well, there aren’t any credits for sale so I don't know what a credit is actually worth, but I can't buy a god damn thing with mine, so if you want I'll send them to you.

As for wasting machine time; well not really, it's using otherwise unused CPU power that would achieve sod all in left untapped, but by processing units it has allowed you to bitch about your missing credits and find out that you're not alone in the universe.

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Credit sharing is a joke nowadays, pissing me off ...

Well It's better than being pissed on! (humor)

I have said before that even when we have failed units,
It is still part of the process and should be considered so.

Don't get me wrong I love my credits
and it appeals to my competitive side.

I will never be number #1 but I enjoy
the collecting,searching, and the science.

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> bye bye
>
> READ teh RULES

Hey Pascal K, G :

Do you really think your 2 page long posts help anything? Especially when you virtually always start or end them with smart ass comments like that?

I'm beginning to think the "G" in your name stands for Guido.