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We are living in exceptional times. Scientists tell us that we have 10 years to change the way we live, avert the depletion of natural resources and the catastrophic evolution of the Earth's climate. The stakes are high for us and our children. Everyone should take part in the effort, and HOME has been conceived to take a message of mobilization out to every human being.

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So what do y'all think? Personally, I think the extremity of lust for the "American"/industrial life style is far too high to make any changes in the next ten years. Unless national television networks, once again, dip into their sack of psychological cues that subconsciously train our minds to realize that economic/industrial/profitable choices are not necessarily the logical ones in terms of survival for us and the ecological system we were born dependent of. Because all I see is the attempt at brainwashing more and more gullible people into the industrial/"American" way-of-life. Then, ten years or so, we'll reap the truth as we let our children suffer in a paradise long gone. Then some might say utopia has never been within reach but we still kept believing in the madness and the lies and then that's all we'll beseech. (Yes, I'm a skeptic.)

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I spent some hours going through the links but I STILL need a definition of what is meant by "American:/industrial life style" seems to me us yanks don't own the franchise on greed.The term economic/industrial/profitable choices might also apply to the sponsors who charge an arm and a leg for stuff I can cover my scrawny body with at a local thrift shop. I do agree though if it weren't for the farmers - us industrial folks wouldn't have a product to peddle ANYWHERE!

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Dont just blame Americans. Ever been to Europe? Japan, China? We dont have a monoply on what all ails the world.

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Old James

James is very much right. Its a human problem, and not one limited or originated within a parcticular border, though its always easier to associate your frustration/hatred/jealosy/etc on a single entity, and America has been a favorite target as of these last 30 years or so. Its much easier to put a face on the "enemy" and begin your campaign against them that way.

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I think the "American"/industrial lifestyle spoken of by crippler (an American according to his profile) is rather self explanatory.

The industrial lifestyle was created by American corporate interests and remains the model for economic growth worldwide.

It's based on the belief that there will always be a new frontier to move into and exploit once resources in the immediate area are exhausted and this new frontier will be clean, untouched and unpolluted.
This frontier mentality is the driving force behind resistance to change in this model.

We cannot continue with the old "business as usual" proccesses that have created the problems facing us now.

There are no more undiscovered territories to exploit. We've reached critical mass. The system must collapse if it cannot change.

For those who believe this is an assault on American values and refuse to look further into what crippler is saying...pull your head out of your arse.
It's a worldwide dilema that just happens to have been caused by a popular industrial strategy created by American business at the beginning of the oil age.

YEP! That frontier mentality is certainly still active - BUT us Yanks didn't invent it, corporate greed existed even before the US was a COLONY. Greed has been with us always it's taken many forms and continues to thrive! It NEEDS NO MODEL!

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For those who believe this is an assault on American values and refuse to look further into what crippler is saying...pull your head out of your arse.
It's a worldwide dilema that just happens to have been caused by a popular industrial strategy created by American business at the beginning of the oil age.

...and I would suggest that those who think that exploitation was created by Americans need to do quite a bit more studying of human history. In fact, to spread, conquer and consume all resources has been going on long before the "oil age". That you would rather label this an Americanism rahter than see this for what it is only shows who's suffering from rectal-cranial intrusion.

Start by identifying the real problem, then work toward a solution.

This isn't an avoidance of what Crippler is trying to say, rather pointing out that the problem is much larger than America itself, and was created long before America was even mass-populated.

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I've seen the extended edition. The imagery is just as good as your typical IMAX documentary; except for the everything we do causes global warming and humans suck message. Al Gore was nowhere to be seen.

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YEP! That frontier mentality is certainly still active - BUT us Yanks didn't invent it, corporate greed existed even before the US was a COLONY. Greed has been with us always it's taken many forms and continues to thrive! It NEEDS NO MODEL!

No, you didn't invent the frontier mentality.
Yes, there was corporate greed long before there was an America.

The Americas were the last real frontiers when it came to human territorial expansion onto liveable and useful land.

The point being, American style industrial life has brought the planet to the brink.
This does not fault Americans for doing something that the rest of the industrialized world hasn't done. We've all participated in the industrial life.

It just happens to have been "perfected" by Americans with the rise of oil as an energy source.
The template for industry worldwide has been the American model due to it's successes in production and profits.
Hence the term "American"/industrial lifestyle.

This is my reading of crippler's post. If I'm way off-base, I would ask crippler to correct me.

YEP! That frontier mentality is certainly still active - BUT us Yanks didn't invent it, corporate greed existed even before the US was a COLONY. Greed has been with us always it's taken many forms and continues to thrive! It NEEDS NO MODEL!

No, you didn't invent the frontier mentality.
Yes, there was corporate greed long before there was an America.

The Americas were the last real frontiers when it came to human territorial expansion onto liveable and useful land.

The point being, American style industrial life has brought the planet to the brink.
This does not fault Americans for doing something that the rest of the industrialized world hasn't done. We've all participated in the industrial life.

It just happens to have been "perfected" by Americans with the rise of oil as an energy source.
The template for industry worldwide has been the American model due to it's successes in production and profits.
Hence the term "American"/industrial lifestyle.

This is my reading of crippler's post. If I'm way off-base, I would ask crippler to correct me.

I concur. Most are too busy perfecting their dependency (aware of it or not); or trying to put a face on the "enemy" that they become ignorant of issues that could not only effect them, but their "enemies" as well. I could have talked about the ideal country that symbolizes the industrial way of life; you know the one from the video with no trees, fresh water, or even solar panels yet it has a dense wealthy population thanks to our dependency on crude oils. But I do not reside there, thus, I have the respect and knowledge to save most of my "not so nice things to say" for those I've been a little more aware of.

I believe the what or who is responsible, at this point, is redundant. The logical question now would be; why and how should we ALL try to fix these issues that aren't just going away.

James is very much right. Its a human problem, and not one limited or originated within a parcticular border, though its always easier to associate your frustration/hatred/jealosy/etc on a single entity, and America has been a favorite target as of these last 30 years or so. Its much easier to put a face on the "enemy" and begin your campaign against them that way.

On the contrary, this is not about frustration, hatred, nor jealousy. In terms of maintaining this reality, in which you and me are able to conjure such thoughts, it's more of a logical necessity. Like the atmosphere we live and breath in, or the water we drink, and the plants that filter the air. Because those are the very things that are being effected.

....and all of you have already seen/read this statement:
If the actual consumption rate of raw materials and energy continues the way it does now, we will need three planets Earth to satisfy/meet our demands!
The next Earth like planet is Mars....and you/we know quite well how it looks like over there......
It might be a challenge to start a new colony in Mars, though, but with different plans in mind.

On the planet Mars we will be exposed to all the same natural disasters and celestial disasters would be more extreme due to a weaker magnetosphere. Just a little something to keep in mind. ;-)

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YEP! That frontier mentality is certainly still active - BUT us Yanks didn't invent it, corporate greed existed even before the US was a COLONY. Greed has been with us always it's taken many forms and continues to thrive! It NEEDS NO MODEL!

No, you didn't invent the frontier mentality.
Yes, there was corporate greed long before there was an America.

The Americas were the last real frontiers when it came to human territorial expansion onto liveable and useful land.

The point being, American style industrial life has brought the planet to the brink.
This does not fault Americans for doing something that the rest of the industrialized world hasn't done. We've all participated in the industrial life.

It just happens to have been "perfected" by Americans with the rise of oil as an energy source.
The template for industry worldwide has been the American model due to it's successes in production and profits.
Hence the term "American"/industrial lifestyle.

This is my reading of crippler's post. If I'm way off-base, I would ask crippler to correct me.

I concur. Most are too busy perfecting their dependency (aware of it or not); or trying to put a face on the "enemy" that they become ignorant of issues that could not only effect them, but their "enemies" as well. I could have talked about the ideal country that symbolizes the industrial way of life; you know the one from the video with no trees, fresh water, or even solar panels yet it has a dense wealthy population thanks to our dependency on crude oils. But I do not reside there, thus, I have the respect and knowledge to save most of my "not so nice things to say" for those I've been a little more aware of.

I believe the what or who is responsible, at this point, is redundant. The logical question now would be; why and how should we ALL try to fix these issues that aren't just going away.

James is very much right. Its a human problem, and not one limited or originated within a parcticular border, though its always easier to associate your frustration/hatred/jealosy/etc on a single entity, and America has been a favorite target as of these last 30 years or so. Its much easier to put a face on the "enemy" and begin your campaign against them that way.

On the contrary, this is not about frustration, hatred, nor jealousy. In terms of maintaining this reality, in which you and me are able to conjure such thoughts, it's more of a logical necessity. Like the atmosphere we live and breath in, or the water we drink, and the plants that filter the air. Because those are the very things that are being effected.

....and all of you have already seen/read this statement:
If the actual consumption rate of raw materials and energy continues the way it does now, we will need three planets Earth to satisfy/meet our demands!
The next Earth like planet is Mars....and you/we know quite well how it looks like over there......
It might be a challenge to start a new colony in Mars, though, but with different plans in mind.

On the planet Mars we will be exposed to all the same natural disasters and celestial disasters would be more extreme due to a weaker magnetosphere. Just a little something to keep in mind. ;-)

I know, and the lack of a thick atmosphere as we have/know it here!!
The idea was to remind people that we have a small planet and there´s no alternate, not by far.
We can create colonies on the Moon and Mars, but the life style would be much different.
State governor of California Arnold Schwarzenegger has declared the State of California as bankrupt!!!
It is the 8th economic power in the ranking list, even Spain is some places behind on the scale!!

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YEP! That frontier mentality is certainly still active - BUT us Yanks didn't invent it, corporate greed existed even before the US was a COLONY. Greed has been with us always it's taken many forms and continues to thrive! It NEEDS NO MODEL!

No, you didn't invent the frontier mentality.
Yes, there was corporate greed long before there was an America.

The Americas were the last real frontiers when it came to human territorial expansion onto liveable and useful land.

The point being, American style industrial life has brought the planet to the brink.
This does not fault Americans for doing something that the rest of the industrialized world hasn't done. We've all participated in the industrial life.

It just happens to have been "perfected" by Americans with the rise of oil as an energy source.
The template for industry worldwide has been the American model due to it's successes in production and profits.
Hence the term "American"/industrial lifestyle.

This is my reading of crippler's post. If I'm way off-base, I would ask crippler to correct me.

I would like to take this opportunity to correct something I posted.

The Americas were not the last frontier for human expansion because the continents were already populated at the time of European discovery of them.

I suppose a more correct statement would be the Americas were the last frontier that had not been industrialized, privatized and corporatized at the time of European's discovering them.

It all comes down to power & greed, & that's not just an American problem.

Remenber "Judas & the 13 pieces of Silver?" Was he American?

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It all comes down to power & greed, & that's not just an American problem.

Remenber "Judas & the 13 pieces of Silver?" Was he American?

did he lose the other 17 to inflation?

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In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face.
Diogenes Of Sinope

It all comes down to power & greed, & that's not just an American problem.

Remenber "Judas & the 13 pieces of Silver?" Was he American?

did he lose the other 17 to inflation?

he couldn't count :)

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judas, according to bible, had not much choice, he was just god`s plaything, or chesspiece

He spent the other 17 at Ace Hardware for Rope + Roman Taxes!

He spent the other 17 at Ace Hardware for Rope + Roman Taxes!

dang it the only 2 sure things. death and taxes... poor judas

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In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face.
Diogenes Of Sinope