Anyone wanting a reasoned examination of the 2012 situation may want to read the article at sky & telescope.com. ---------- http://www.sky&telescope.com/news/home/69774827.html

You belive in this article, but as I said in the previous message, or better:

EVERYONE MUST BELIVE IN WHAT THEY WANT

Anyone wanting a reasoned examination of the 2012 situation may want to read the article at sky & telescope.com. ---------- http://www.sky&telescope.com/news/home/69774827.html

Made it live for you. Bye for now,gone to read the article.Unfortunatly the link is broken.Ho hum...........

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Old enough to know better(but)still young enough not to care

Anyone wanting a reasoned examination of the 2012 situation may want to read the article at sky & telescope.com. ---------- http://www.sky&telescope.com/news/home/69774827.html

Made it live for you. Bye for now,gone to read the article.Unfortunatly the link is broken.Ho hum...........

Link works fine when corrected:

Correct URL is: http://www.skyandtelescope.com/news/home/69774827.html

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You belive in this article, but as I said in the previous message, or better:

EVERYONE MUST BELIVE IN WHAT THEY WANT

That is not how science works. Science is a process of discovery of what is.

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BOINC WIKI

You're right:

That is not how science works. Science is a process of discovery of what is.

As in science works there are the scientists,
they are people who can lie about what is.

So EVERYONE MUST BELIVE IN WHAT THEY WANT

In regards to the continuing hype around 2012.

Seth Shostak, the Senior Astronomer at the SETI Institute in Mountain View, California recently interviewed David Morrison of NASA.

http://radio.seti.org/

David Morrison (who specializes in the study of near-Earth objects) said that if Nibiru was going to hit us in 2012, it would already be inside the orbit of Jupiter and would be one of the brightest objects in the night sky.


Nibiru? End of the world in 2012? Rubbish!

In regards to the continuing hype around 2012.

Seth Shostak, the Senior Astronomer at the SETI Institute in Mountain View, California recently interviewed David Morrison of NASA.

http://radio.seti.org/

David Morrison (who specializes in the study of near-Earth objects) said that if Nibiru was going to hit us in 2012, it would already be inside the orbit of Jupiter and would be one of the brightest objects in the night sky.


Nibiru? End of the world in 2012? Rubbish!

Here´s again the link---->Are we alone? Science radio for thinking species

Very interesting program which I listen to quite frequently.
Yes, the mayan calendar finishes in 2012 the same way ours finish every year in December 31st.
I would bet some spanish conquistadores just tore down the mayan calendar from a wall when looting the town looking for gold in the early XVI century.....!
I just wonder who the playmate of that calendar was...LOL

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I just wonder who the playmate of that calendar was...LOL

Angela, who else!

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warning spoilers:
Did anyone see the movie?? No planet ever hit the earth. The sum of all fears were based on the suns solar flares, pole reversal. The core of the earth was heating up to cause change in the magnetic field. Earthquakes, tsunami, etc. Yellowstone has a super volcano which blows.

Ok. not much detail about the Mayan Calendar. The Government kept everything a secret, built ships, etc. The world as we know it did end. But we were still here in 2012 on the 3 built government ships.

The movie is good but it dragged on to long, they could have trimmed off 30 mins or so to pick things up a bit aside from the destruction scenes,there was plenty of drama. Roland Emmerich directed, he also directed the disaster films Independence Day and The Day After Tomorrow.

In fact, who will ensure you that there isn't a large unknown body racing around our solar ?

(bold stress mine)

How do you ensure anything unknown?

How do you ensure your family and yourself that anything unknown won't happen within the next hour? When something happens then, will that make you a liar? How could you have known beforehand that something unknown was about to happen? Had you known something was going to happen, it wouldn't have been unknown.

Be prepared or become a recluse. :-)

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We can't ensure everything happens.

In fact when anything happens, if you haven't said anything about it, won't make you a liar;
but if you have said wrongs about it, will make you a liar,
above all if you're a scientist and have not given proof.

proof.

Proof is only in the eyes of the believer.

What's proof for one is complete bogus for someone else. What is complete bogus is taken by some as proof that there's something hidden. It'll never be good enough.

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Proof is only in the eyes of the believer.

There are subjective and objective proofs.
What you said are the subjective proofs: the religions.
The objective proofs are measures unit: light years, parsecs, kilograms, pounds... You can't not believe these

Perhaps I have not explained in the message 946704: I want say everyone can lie,
but only if about a thing he knows something and he says wrong.

So ALL MUST BELIVE IN WHAT THEY WANT

The objective proofs are measures unit: light years, parsecs, kilograms, pounds... You can't not believe these

Since they're all man-made values, how do you know they are correct? Even if you try to tell me that these days it's all done electronically, who am I to believe that this is absolutely correct measurement? Both the electronics and the software are man-made. The math behind it all is man-made. Is it then automatically proof that it's all measured correctly?

Someone has come up with all the values and measurements at one point in time. What proof do you have he or she was correct? What proof do you have that people after them, who started measuring "better" values of the aforementioned did it better?

You can tell me that a meter is 1⁄299,792,458 of a second, but since that's only a redefinition of its original value of 100 centimeters, is that then proof that it is correct?

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We say the same thing

Since everything is man-made,nothing is certainly true, because anyone can lie.
In fact as I said: ALL MUST BELIVE IN WHAT/WHO THEY WANT

This is the difference between us: only in objective thing you can't not believe, because although are man-made, they are global decisions; for this it's impossible all world scientists agreement, when they decide a scientific law, lie against people.
You can belive also in this but it is very difficult.

Only a person or "organizations" can lie against people: tv programs, nasa, companies, governments...
So ALL MUST BELIVE IN WHAT/WHO THEY WANT

You're right:

That is not how science works. Science is a process of discovery of what is.

As in science works there are the scientists,
they are people who can lie about what is.

So EVERYONE MUST BELIVE IN WHAT THEY WANT

That is what peer review is about. If one scientist makes a claim, others have to validate that claim before it is granted any status as a fact.

If you don't believe in listening to those that have made a life study of something in particular, but instead believe in doing it on your own, then instead of "everyone must believe in what they want", I would suggest, "everyone must believe what they can prove." If that seems a bit harsh, then try to wade through the evidence collected to see where there is a broad consensus, what is likely in controversial areas (and some people try to drum up a "controversy" when there is actually broad consensus), and what is unlikely or impossible.

Alignments of the planets occur every few hundred years - none of them have ever torn apart the earth. So, it is unlikely that they ever will.

Is there a NEO that is going to collide with the earth that we have not discovered? Yes. Is there one that is big enough to destroy life on earth (at least as it is now)? Possibly. Have we found it? Not yet. Do we know when or even if it will arrive? No (we haven't found it yet).

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what is likely in controversial areas is unlikely or impossible.

Yes, right. In fact in all controversial areas, there are "wars", quarrels and uncertainties.

For this, someone may already know the explanation of the mysteries as the 2012 and others.
But for their lies(quarrels and uncertainties), we do not know yet.

So ALL MUST BELIVE IN WHAT/WHO THEY WANT

You belive in this article, but as I said in the previous message, or better:

EVERYONE MUST BELIVE IN WHAT THEY WANT

That is not how science works. Science is a process of discovery of what is.

True, And I find this idea there is a rogue planet coming kinda preposterous, We would have seen something way before now or felt things or seen something on CNN or on: http://space.newscientist.com/home.ns and so far there has been nothing, nada, zip, goose egg, 0, Mars is right where It always has been, So this Nibiru crap is just that, paranoid crap. There might be a Rogue Palin traveling around the news, But that's It.

I'll be here in 2013 on New Years Day and watching the Rose Parade. ;p

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