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kasule francis Send message Joined: 9 Jul 08 Posts: 293 Credit: 104,493 RAC: 0 |
War has again broken out between israel and palestine one just wonders when ,will these war stop for ever .Why cant the accept each other and live in peace for the sake of there people its virtually impossible to tell who is right and who is wrong in that conflict .in my view both sides are equally to blame. We choose to go to the moon and to do other things, we choose to go to the moon not because its easy but because its hard. kennedy |
Mike Send message Joined: 17 Feb 01 Posts: 34258 Credit: 79,922,639 RAC: 80 |
I agree with you Kasule. Sad enough. all wars are senseless. Especially in the name of religion. But i expect it will take too long to give the peace on this place. With each crime and every kindness we birth our future. |
Dirk Villarreal Wittich Send message Joined: 25 Apr 00 Posts: 2098 Credit: 434,834 RAC: 0 |
I wonder what would had happened with Mr.Albert Einstein as president of Israel when he was offered the position. Mrs.Tzipi Livni was very close to a new and better chapter of Israel´s future with their neighbors. I prefer this image...who can possibly be against this? |
kasule francis Send message Joined: 9 Jul 08 Posts: 293 Credit: 104,493 RAC: 0 |
He would have most likely been assasinated by the hard guys who are not in favour of peace. We choose to go to the moon and to do other things, we choose to go to the moon not because its easy but because its hard. kennedy |
kasule francis Send message Joined: 9 Jul 08 Posts: 293 Credit: 104,493 RAC: 0 |
Israel enters gaza !. We choose to go to the moon and to do other things, we choose to go to the moon not because its easy but because its hard. kennedy |
champ Send message Joined: 12 Mar 03 Posts: 3642 Credit: 1,489,147 RAC: 0 |
Israel enters gaza !. Crazy. |
champ Send message Joined: 12 Mar 03 Posts: 3642 Credit: 1,489,147 RAC: 0 |
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zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65763 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
War has again broken out between Israel and Palestine Simple, Some of them are Muslims and some Muslims believe in the Literal word of the Koran and they will not share the planet with any people that aren't Muslims or ones that are Jews, And except for those that can be converted to Islam, All others and all Jews would be put to the sword. In the Past as History teaches US, Treaties would be made and then some years later the treaty would be broken by some Muslim ruler in the name of Religion. Now not all Muslims are like this and shouldn't be hated or discriminated. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas
I'd say Hamas is the one who started this and the Peaceniks are the 5th column allies of Terrorists. The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9541 Credit: 50,759,529 RAC: 60 |
I don't get how a group such as Hamas makes edicts and rules that are counter to their own religion. not exactly doing Gods work now are they In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
I don't get how a group such as Hamas makes edicts and rules that are counter to their own religion. not exactly doing Gods work now are they Its all how one (or a group of individuals) interpret the written word of their own religion. Words are always open to interpretation, and as time goes on, it gets harder to know the intent, nor can you ask the author for clarification. |
kasule francis Send message Joined: 9 Jul 08 Posts: 293 Credit: 104,493 RAC: 0 |
What i never get, however hard i think is what is the logic of hamas ? they know the can't win , they know that Israel will lose less people than them, the will loss Gaza and may not get it back for the next 100 years . I believe some people in Hamas are either interested in keeping the organization running just for the sake of raising funds OR the actually have a reasoning problem because each time palestine trys to get out of the grave situation they are in , Hamas comes in and puts them right back in. What religion preaches that i just don't get it, its like the confusion in the middle east just can't go away. The reason for hamas is money its not religion the day arab states stop funding hamas , it will cease fighting and relative peace will come to middle east. We choose to go to the moon and to do other things, we choose to go to the moon not because its easy but because its hard. kennedy |
Aristoteles Doukas Send message Joined: 11 Apr 08 Posts: 1091 Credit: 2,140,913 RAC: 0 |
why are people blaming hamas, when neither, israel or palestine has been "right" for decades, they are both totally wrong, israel just use more power and kill more people, but both sides do just unhuman things to each other without any reason. both are wrong and losing all the time. |
skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9541 Credit: 50,759,529 RAC: 60 |
ah so if you were minding your own business enjoying your days in your own town and some folks started tossing rockets your way, what would you do? beg them to stop? ask for help? It's pretty clear that Hamas can't and won't have a full fledged fight with Israel. The rockets are a ploy to get Israel to retaliate. You ask, "a ploy?". Yes a ploy. Israel is now forced to retaliate. Hamas will hide amongst the civilian population of Gaza and then they can start counting out how the Israelis are firing into civilian population. The last I heard 400+ were killed in Gaza. Of that less than 100 were civilian casualties. That may seem like a lot of civilian casualties, but when you consider the people of Gaza are packed into that territory like they are in New York City. So if Israel is firing indiscriminately into civilian populations they must be horrible shots. I doubt that. Hamas has intentionally shot their rockets at civilian population causing massive panic and property damage but only 4 deaths. Honestly, if Canada decided to start lobbing rockets at Detroit...well maybe not Detroit possible bad example... at Buffalo we would probably first ask them to stop them bomb the crap out of them soon afterward. In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65763 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
ah so if you were minding your own business enjoying your days in your own town and some folks started tossing rockets your way, what would you do? beg them to stop? ask for help? So that would be possibly 300 less HAMAS terrorists then, So that's Another One Bites the Dust. Love that song. :D The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
Aristoteles Doukas Send message Joined: 11 Apr 08 Posts: 1091 Credit: 2,140,913 RAC: 0 |
if you believe so, you are quite naive |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65763 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
Does the Phrase: "Human Shields" mean anything to You? Or putting weapons caches in or too near peoples houses/homes(which is unsafe as that then becomes a legitimate military target)? Israel has the right to defend Itself and Its People from being attacked and to exist for that matter, Israel is not going to go away, Other countries have made Peace with Israel. If the Palestinians want a country of their own like Israel, Then they should prove that they can be trusted. Do You object to Hamas killing Israeli's? Or just to Israelis killing members of Hamas and destroying Hamas's ill gotten weapons caches? Israel is a legitimate country, Hamas isn't, Hamas is a Terrorist Organization that is controlling Gaza, Hamas wants an Islamic state in place of Israel and Hamas has no trained and standing Army, Otherwise They'd have used It by now. The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
Hev Send message Joined: 4 Jun 05 Posts: 1118 Credit: 598,303 RAC: 0 |
The actions of Israel are seen by some in Israel as a war crime The neighborhood bully strikes again And as the following points out, the issues surrounding the Israel/Palestine conflict are complex. JOHN BERGER ON GAZA December 29, 2008, 2:49 am Filed under: Gaza, Israel | Tags: John Berger A message from the British writer and art critic, John Berger. “We are now spectators of the latest - and perhaps penultimate - chapter of the 60 year old conflict between Israel and the Palestinian people. About the complexities of this tragic conflict billions of words have been pronounced, defending one side or the other. Today, in face of the Israeli attacks on Gaza, the essential calculation, which was always covertly there, behind this conflict, has been blatantly revealed. The death of one Israeli victim justifies the killing of a hundred Palestinians. One Israeli life is worth a hundred Palestinian lives. This is what the Israeli State and the world media more or less - with marginal questioning - mindlessly repeat. And this claim, which has accompanied and justified the longest Occupation of foreign territories in 20th C. European history, is viscerally racist. That the Jewish people should accept this, that the world should concur, that the Palestinians should submit to it - is one of history’s ironic jokes. There’s no laughter anywhere. We can, however, refute it, more and more vocally. Let’s do so.†John Berger 27 December 2008 |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65763 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
Some Muslims see any land that has Muslims living there recently or not or that has had a Muslim Government there in the past as Muslim lands to be conquered or reconquered. Sounds like Hamas to a T to Me. The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
Robert Waite Send message Joined: 23 Oct 07 Posts: 2417 Credit: 18,192,122 RAC: 59 |
Israel's expansion into the West Bank is simply done to possess some of the most fertile lands and water resources in the region. As the palestinians are crowded into smaller prison zones, surrounded by fences and guards, the resentment and outrage can only grow. Palestinians are systematically being driven from their lands and their villages are becoming more and more isolated. Movement between Palestinian townships is controlled by Israeli troops. Israel is the aggressor in this situation but they have the backing of the U.S. and it's control of the media to whitewash their actions. To believe that one side of this dispute, Muslims, are blinded by their religious beliefs while the other is not leads me to believe that someone has not read the Bible and seen that the Israelis also believe that they are God's chosen people and can do as they damned well please. |
Aristoteles Doukas Send message Joined: 11 Apr 08 Posts: 1091 Credit: 2,140,913 RAC: 0 |
and do remember that there was not country named israel( neither palestine) before it was made up. |
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