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Jeffrey Send message Joined: 21 Nov 03 Posts: 4793 Credit: 26,029 RAC: 0 |
If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. - Thomas Jefferson The Real Story of the Money... ;) It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . . |
Fuzzy Hollynoodles Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 9659 Credit: 251,998 RAC: 0 |
If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. - Thomas Jefferson I think I could come up with a few other things, the first thing that comes to my mind is the wheel. Maybe that is not Man's creation? Who created it then and started to use it as a tool? Was it brought to us by some extraterrestrial existences that came to us in their flying saucers? Heh, maybe we bought the wheel from the aliens for our money. I just hope then that they have money from the Earth as a valid currency in the other solar systems and galaxies. "I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me |
Jeffrey Send message Joined: 21 Nov 03 Posts: 4793 Credit: 26,029 RAC: 0 |
Apparently, someone didn't follow the link... Create: 1. To bring into being; to form out of nothing; to cause to exist. [1913 Webster] An invention is not the same thing as a creation... ;) (But that isn't what this thread is about. It's about usury.) It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . . |
Misfit Send message Joined: 21 Jun 01 Posts: 21804 Credit: 2,815,091 RAC: 0 |
What if I "make" something. Like a ham and cheese sandwich. Is that creating or inventing? me@rescam.org |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
What if I "make" something. Like a ham and cheese sandwich. Is that creating or inventing? I would imagine that "making" something out of two things that existed through natural creation (ham coming from an animal and cheese coming from milk and other relatively natural ingredients), that it wouldn't be "creation". But, what if the meat is synthetic? What about cloned meat? Aren't those creations, or are they still using natural elements to "make" something? What about Love? |
Misfit Send message Joined: 21 Jun 01 Posts: 21804 Credit: 2,815,091 RAC: 0 |
What about Love? That would include making out. But is the word "out" a noun? me@rescam.org |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
What about Love? I was referring to the concept and not specifically the physical act. Was/is love a "creation" of man? If you're religious, I'm sure the answer is obvious. But what about the other side of the equation and you don't believe in God, is love created in our minds? Is there a definitive answer or is it based in philosophy alone? |
Misfit Send message Joined: 21 Jun 01 Posts: 21804 Credit: 2,815,091 RAC: 0 |
What about Love? Anyway, I also like honey mustard on my ham & cheese. me@rescam.org |
Fuzzy Hollynoodles Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 9659 Credit: 251,998 RAC: 0 |
What if I "make" something. Like a ham and cheese sandwich. Is that creating or inventing? How about babies? Are they made or created? A whole human being can not be created from two cells alone, that would be to make a baby. No, it's created from those two cells. So I would say that creating new life is Man's first creation. To create offspring... About Love, yes that depends on how you believe. Some would say that Love is created by something bigger than ourselves, a cosmic being, and others would say that it's a feeling created in the chemical balance in our brains. So how about feelings, are they made or created? "I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me |
Fuzzy Hollynoodles Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 9659 Credit: 251,998 RAC: 0 |
Apparently, someone didn't follow the link... Actually I did. But I thought that what was said there was rubbish. As I have stated in some other thread some time ago, money, and with this paper notes, is derived from exchanges of goods. When I knit a sweater for myself or for someone else, I create the pattern, I don't make it. It's a creation of mine, my ideas that goes into that sweater. I make it from the yarn with my knitting needles, but the end result, the sweater, is a creation of my ideas of how that sweater should look like. I have created a unique sweater. When I sew a dress, I create it from a pattern in the way that it fits the idea I had for that dress. I have created a unique dress. People have done that to all times. People have had creative ideas of what and how to do things, including creating tools for themselves. "I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me |
Mike Send message Joined: 17 Feb 01 Posts: 34258 Credit: 79,922,639 RAC: 80 |
What a bad joke. Who was Edison, Einstein and so on. Mayve you tell us they created nothing. True but they created the ability to create something. Life is coexistense. I wouldn´t like to life without women. With each crime and every kindness we birth our future. |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
I think some of you are misunderstanding Jeffrey's point. I think he's trying to distinguish between "creation", "invention" and "production". With production, you take two or more preexisting objects and produce a new object out of it. Most things would technically fall into this category. With an invention, it is basically the first time a production object has come into being, but its still taking preexisting objects, such as filaments and electricity to make a light bulb. With creation, it is making something out of literally no preexisting object. Regardless of what medium you use for money (paper, coin, bamboo sticks), we all accept that they have value for some reason or another, and we use them in trade. But the value is really non-existent. They only have this imagined value because it is agreed upon by all parties. If, by chance, you were to give this valued medium to someone who isn't aware of this agreement, they would not accept its value because it is something we made up. Like giving a $100 bill to an alien who has no knowledge of our trading system would only see it for what it is: an object. We don't technically "create" babies (though we always say we do). We combine preexisting DNA from sperm and egg and "produce" an offspring. We don't "create" a building, we take materials and combine them to make a house, etc. In the truest sense, money may very well be the only thing man has "created". But I still proffer the concept of "love". What if that same alien knew of no such concept (scary, I know, but just as probable). Couldn't it be a creation of man alone? |
Misfit Send message Joined: 21 Jun 01 Posts: 21804 Credit: 2,815,091 RAC: 0 |
In the truest sense, money may very well be the only thing man has "created". Oh there's one other thing, and its byproduct, that some would say. me@rescam.org |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
I think some of you are misunderstanding Jeffrey's point. I think he's trying to distinguish between "creation", "invention" and "production". Pah, it's so obvious that you're all missing it, indeed it's staring you right in the face as you read this! Like money, language is an agreed set of symbols by which we convey meaning that is not intrinsic to the symbols. "Dog" or "Dollar", we "created" both. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
Aristoteles Doukas Send message Joined: 11 Apr 08 Posts: 1091 Credit: 2,140,913 RAC: 0 |
i don´t understand what you are talking about |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
I think some of you are misunderstanding Jeffrey's point. I think he's trying to distinguish between "creation", "invention" and "production". You're right. I did miss that one. |
Dominique Send message Joined: 3 Mar 05 Posts: 1628 Credit: 74,745 RAC: 0 |
Religious dogmata |
Misfit Send message Joined: 21 Jun 01 Posts: 21804 Credit: 2,815,091 RAC: 0 |
In the truest sense, money may very well be the only thing man has "created". That's what I was looking for. me@rescam.org |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
Building off Bobby's idea, what about speech itself? The fact that we can make noises out of our throats, and we all agree that these noises, when put together a certain way mean something. |
Jeffrey Send message Joined: 21 Nov 03 Posts: 4793 Credit: 26,029 RAC: 0 |
I think some of you are misunderstanding Jeffrey's point. Nothing new there... ;) It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . . |
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