Now why is that?

The news has plenty of reasons but can you tell me what the US planned to do in the area that Russia warned not to do?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7550354.stm

Interesting Chavez in Venezuela is pushing for Communism now after successfully empowering his people with constitutional knowledge and fighting off a coup d'etat funded by guess who?

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History truly does repeat itself. Only the names change.

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I do not know.... It's incredible things like this can still happen. The news make me so sad.

Henri.

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Google News informs us that the Russians are invading the South



Did you know that Russian troops are thrusting into the outskirts of Savannah, Georgia? That's what readers will learn from a Google Maps graphic accompanying a news story about Russian incursions into Georgia — the nation-state in the Caucasus, not the Caucasian-pride-ridden state in the southern United States. Google's mixup will not help Yahoo Answers user Jessica B., who presciently asked, "i herd on the news that rusia has invaded but i dont see them no where wats going on." A screenshot of Google's erroneous invasion map:

Full screenshot here

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Wrong Georgia.

No Red Dawn.


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Wrong Georgia.

No Red Dawn.


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High school students will defend us!

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in that georgia is a delta where blues was born

Wrong Georgia.

No Red Dawn.


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High school students will defend us!

Like this one?

Jessica B.: "i herd on the news that rusia has invaded but i dont see them no where wats going on."

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I am very sorry about this three times:

• Because war is not an option.
  
• Because it happened during the Olympic Games.
  
• 98% of the casualties and wounded are innocent civil population.
  

Hope everything [the war] will stop immediately.
Мне очень жаль!

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Thank you Dirk Villarreal Wittich

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

I am very sorry about this three times:

• Because war is not an option.
  
• Because it happened during the Olympic Games.
  
• 98% of the casualties and wounded are innocent civil population.
  

Hope everything [the war] will stop immediately.
Мне очень жаль!

I forgot to mention a fourth one:
It is a shame on all of us as westerners, people who live in wealthy and organized countries with stable political background (parlamentary monarchies,federal republics and such)not to be able to nor willing to do the efforts to avoid such events. United Nations Organization is of little help. The Caucasus region is the same as it was the Balkan War in the mid ´90s: a dirty war in our european backyard.

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America's weak options on Georgia

CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER
THE WASHINGTON POST

August 14, 2008

The Russia-Georgia cease-fire brokered by France's president is less than meets the eye. Its terms keep moving as the Russian army keeps moving. Russia has since occupied Gori (appropriately, Stalin's birthplace), effectively cutting Georgia in two. The road to the capital, Tbilisi, is open, but apparently Prime Minister Vladimir Putin has temporarily chosen to seek his objectives through military pressure and Western acquiescence rather than by naked occupation.

His objectives are clear. They go beyond detaching South Ossetia and Abkhazia from Georgia and absorbing them into Russia. They go beyond destroying the Georgian army, leaving the country at Russia's mercy.

The real objective is the Finlandization of Georgia through the removal of President Mikhail Saakashvili and his replacement by a Russian puppet.

Which explains Putin stopping the Russian army (for now) short of Tbilisi. What everyone overlooks in the cease-fire terms is that all future steps – troop withdrawals, territorial arrangements, peacekeeping forces – will have to be negotiated between Russia and Georgia. But Russia says it will not talk to Saakashvili. Thus regime change becomes the first requirement for any movement on any front. This will be Putin's refrain in the coming days. He is counting on Europe to pressure Saakashvili to resign and/or flee to “give peace a chance.”

The Finlandization of Georgia would give Russia control of the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline, which is the only significant European-bound route for Caspian Sea oil and gas that does not go through Russia. Pipelines are the economic lifelines of such former Soviet republics as Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan that live off energy exports. Moscow would become master of the Caspian basin.

Subduing Georgia has an additional effect. It warns Russia's former Baltic and East European satellites what happens if you get too close to the West. It is the first step to re-establishing Russian hegemony in the region.

What is to be done? Let's be real. There's nothing to be done militarily. What we can do is alter Putin's cost-benefit calculations.

We are not without resources. There are a range of measures to be deployed if Russia does not live up to its cease-fire commitments:

- Suspend the NATO-Russia Council established in 2002 to help bring Russia closer to the West. Make clear that dissolution will follow suspension. The council gives Russia a seat at the NATO table. Message: Invading neighboring democracies forfeits the seat.

- Bar Russian entry to the World Trade Organization.

- Dissolve the G-8. Putin's dictatorial presence long made it a farce but no one wanted to upset the bear by expelling it. No need to. The seven democracies simply withdraw. Then immediately announce the reconstitution of the original G-7.

- Announce a U.S.-European boycott of the 2014 Winter Olympics at Sochi. To do otherwise would be obscene. Sochi is 15 miles from Abkhazia, the other Georgian province just invaded by Russia. The Games would become a riveting contest between the Russian, Belarusian and Jamaican bobsled teams.

All of these steps (except dissolution of the G-8, which should be irreversible) would be subject to reconsideration depending upon Russian action – most importantly and minimally, its withdrawal of troops from Georgia proper to South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

The most crucial and unconditional measure, however, is this: Reaffirm support for the Saakashvili government and declare that its removal by the Russians would lead to recognition of a government-in-exile. This would instantly be understood as providing us the legal basis for supplying and supporting a Georgian resistance to any Russian-installed regime.

President Bush could cash in on his close relationship with Putin by sending him a copy of the highly entertaining (and highly fictionalized) film “Charlie Wilson's War” to remind Vlad of our capacity to make Russia bleed. Putin would need no reminders of the Georgians' capacity and long history of doing likewise to invaders.

President Bush needs to make up for his mini-Katrina moment when he lingered in Beijing yukking it up with our beach volleyball team while Putin flew to North Ossetia to direct the invasion of a neighboring country. Bush is dispatching Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to France and Georgia. Not a moment too soon. Her task must be to present these sanctions, get European agreement on as many as possible and begin imposing them, calibrated to Russian behavior. And most important of all, to prevent any Euro-wobbliness on the survival of Georgia's democratically elected government.

We have cards. We should play them. Much is at stake.

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I think it funny when GWB tries to tell Russia not to invade Georgia. Bush didn't listen to Russia when we invaded Iraq. Why should Russia listen to Bush.? For the USA to complain about Russia is ridiculous in my opinion. If you unleash chaos, you should not complain when things don't go the way you want.

Misfit,

Good article! (Thanks.)

Its premise, that this is all about oil pipelines and forcing previous USSR states to rejoin or get frozen out (literally!), sounds good to me. It's Putin-style thinking.

And now the US has retaliated by locking up the missile deal with Ukraine...


Things are heating up in the Cold War (pun intended).

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[quote]America's weak options on Georgia
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CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER
THE WASHINGTON POST
The real objective is the Finlandization of Georgia through the removal of President Mikhail Saakashvili and his replacement by a Russian puppet.


where this clown has been when he was supposed to learn history, finland was never occupied or in control of russia, nor has here been puppet covernment,
led by russia. god this is awful, finlandization actually means really different thing

The Guardian reports that Russia and George have agreed to a ceasefire brokered by Condoleezza Rice, and that Russia will remove its troops from Ostia.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/aug/15/georgia.russia2?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront

This reminds me of the Cuban missile crisis. I think that the United States has quietly agreed not to place any missiles in either Ukraine or the Czech Republic in exchange for this ceasefire. That means that today's signing of the agreement with the Ukraine to place missiles there has no actual effect, except as a threat of future placement.

Add it all up and Russia has won a round in the Cold War.

But will they really in the long term decline to get control over the oil pipeline? I doubt it, especially if Obama becomes president.

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I think it funny when GWB tries to tell Russia not to invade Georgia. Bush didn't listen to Russia when we invaded Iraq.

Actually, he did. A lot of the intelligence, both public and private, that confirmed suspicions of Saddam's WMD programs came from the Russians.

Why should Russia listen to Bush.? For the USA to complain about Russia is ridiculous in my opinion. If you unleash chaos, you should not complain when things don't go the way you want.

It's all just political posturing, nothing more.

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Rush

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I think it funny when GWB tries to tell Russia not to invade Georgia. Bush didn't listen to Russia when we invaded Iraq.

Actually, he did. A lot of the intelligence, both public and private, that confirmed suspicions of Saddam's WMD programs came from the Russians.

[Citiation Please!]

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The radar system goes to Czech. The missiles go to Poland, near the Russian border.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20080815/news_1n15poland.html

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Actually, he did. A lot of the intelligence, both public and private, that confirmed suspicions of Saddam's WMD programs came from the Russians.

[Citiation Please!]

Sheesh. Two quickies I glanced at:

CNN

Washington Post

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Cordially,
Rush

elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...