Post em if ya got em.

If not I will post some today.

Definition:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag



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The Gleiwitz incident was a staged attack on 31 August 1939 against the German radio station Sender Gleiwitz in Gleiwitz, Upper Silesia, Germany (since 1945: Gliwice, Republic of Poland) on the eve of World War II in Europe.

This provocation was one of several actions in Operation Himmler, a Nazi Germany SS project to create the appearance of Polish aggression against Germany, which would be used to justify the subsequent invasion of Poland.


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In the 1931 Mukden incident, Japanese officers fabricated a pretext for annexing Manchuria by blowing up a section of railway. Six years later, they falsely claimed the kidnapping of one of their soldiers in the Marco Polo Bridge Incident as an excuse to invade China proper.



On November 26, 1939 the Soviet Union shelled the Russian village of Mainila near the Finnish border. The Soviet Union attacked Finland four days after the Shelling of Mainila. Some Russian historians have claimed that the Finns shelled themselves with the intent of later attacking the Soviet Union. This theory is not shared by most historians, and Russia has agreed that the attack was initiated by the Soviets. Also, the nearest Finnish artillery pieces were well outside the range needed to shell Mainila.



In 1953, the U.S. and British-orchestrated Operation Ajax used "false-flag" and propaganda operations against the democratically elected leader of Iran, Mohammed Mosaddeq. Information regarding the CIA-sponsored coup d'etat has been largely declassified and is available in the CIA archives.



In 1954, Israel sponsored bombings against US and UK interests in Cairo aiming to cause trouble between Egypt and the West. This operation, latter dubbed the Lavon Affair cost Israeli defense minister Pinhas Lavon his job. Israel (where it is known as "The Unfortunate Affair") finally admitted responsibility in 2005.



The planned, but never executed, 1962 Operation Northwoods plot by the US Department of Defense for a war with Cuba involved scenarios such as hijacking a passenger plane, sinking a U.S. ship, burning crops and blaming such actions on Cuba. It was authored by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, nixed by John F. Kennedy, came to light through the Freedom of Information Act and was publicized by James Bamford.



Former GRU officer Aleksey Galkin, former FSB officer Alexander Litvinenko and other whistleblowers from the Russian government and security services have asserted that the 1999 Russian apartment bombings that precipitated the Second Chechen War were false flag operations perpetrated by the FSB, the successor organization to the KGB. Galkin has since then, recanted these accusations which he had asserted when a prisoner of Chechen rebels.



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USS Liberty incident

BBC
52 minutes


During the Six-Day War, Israel attacked and nearly sank the USS Liberty belonging to its closest ally, the USA. Thirty-four American servicemen were killed in the two-hour assault by Israeli warplanes and torpedo boats. Israel claimed that the whole affair had been a tragic accident based on mistaken identification of the ship. The American government accepted the explanation. For more than 30 years many people have disbelieved the official explanation but have been unable to rebut it convincingly. Now, Dead in the Water uses startling new evidence to reveal the truth behind the seemingly inexplicable attack. The film combines dramatic reconstruction of the events, with new access to former officers in the US and Israeli armed forces and intelligence services who have decided to give their own version of events. Interviews include President Lyndon Johnson's Secretary of Defence Robert McNamara, former head of the Israeli navy Admiral Shlomo Errell and members of the USS Liberty crew.

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"Assassination of Russia" False flag Govenment sponsored terrorism Russian style

44 min

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8712664469489507026&hl=en


Russian FSB are caught planting bombs in buildings to blame on the Chechens. http://eng.terror99.ru/publications/056.htm A French Documentary Alleges Kremlin Involvement in Russia's 1999 Apartment Bombings BY YURI ZARAKHOVICH/MOSCOW Friday, Apr. 19, 2002. Most Russians are unlikely to see The Attempt on Russia, a French documentary shot with the help of tycoon Boris Berezovsky, now self-exiled to London. The film alleges involvement of Russian secret services in the Moscow and the Volgodonsk apartment bombings in the fall of1999. The terrorist attacks claimed 247 lives and paved the way for a new Chechen war that helped install Vladimir Putin as Russian President. While denying the claim, the Kremlin made sure that Russian TV would not show the footage, screened by human rights groups to limited audiences. Still, such allegations have been the talk of the country ever since the tragedy. This week, VTSIOM (the Public Opinion Studies Center) released its polls on public reaction to them. The results show that 38% of those polled firmly deny that Russian secret servihuch an involvement should not be ruled out; and 19% are undecided. The polls hardly bode well for Putin.

http://eng.terror99.ru/explosions/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Apartment_Bombings


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Pretty good German documentary on FFOs:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4092196668758946293


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The Oil Factor: Behind the War on Terror

Narrated by Ed Asner

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1130731388742388243


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Howdy Mister Gray et al.

I think you all would enjoy seeing the movie "Charlie Wilson's War" starring Tom Hanks.

Based on a true story on covert ops in Afghanistan to help them drive out the Soviets.


Regards,

Bill

Howdy Mister Gray et al.

I think you all would enjoy seeing the movie "Charlie Wilson's War" starring Tom Hanks.

Based on a true story on covert ops in Afghanistan to help them drive out the Soviets.


Regards,

Bill

Thank you William,

It is a very interesting movie, though it leaves out the gas pipeline to the Caspian Sea and opium motives.

See:

The Oil Factor: Behind the War on Terror

Narrated by Ed Asner

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1130731388742388243

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The motives of the Soviets in Afghanistan were two-fold. They needed a buffer state to keep the Islamic regions of their empire at bay. Also to free them from influences of what was happening in the Muslim world.

The second was to further their likelihood of obtaining warm water ports with less constricted access to the sea. The Soviet Navy can be easily bottled up. If you look at the map you can see that if they controlled Afghanistan they would only need to carve out a small section of Pakistan to have their warm-water ports.

Vladivostok is iced-in much of the year and the soviet navy could easily be bottled in in the black sea and Bosphorus . They have yearned for such a Port for decades.

Daddio

The motives of the Soviets in Afghanistan were two-fold. They needed a buffer state to keep the Islamic regions of their empire at bay. Also to free them from influences of what was happening in the Muslim world.

The second was to further their likelihood of obtaining warm water ports with less constricted access to the sea. The Soviet Navy can be easily bottled up. If you look at the map you can see that if they controlled Afghanistan they would only need to carve out a small section of Pakistan to have their warm-water ports.

Vladivostok is iced-in much of the year and the soviet navy could easily be bottled in in the black sea and Bosphorus . They have yearned for such a Port for decades.

Daddio

Thank you, Sir.


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How it gets done:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6073597531384658228


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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

The planned, but never executed, 1962 Operation Northwoods plot by the U.S. Department of Defense for a war with Cuba involved scenarios such as hijacking a passenger plane, sinking a U.S. ship, burning crops and blaming such actions on Cuba. It was authored by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, nixed by John F. Kennedy, came to light through the Freedom of Information Act and was publicized by James Bamford.

That paragraph sort makes me believe that it just could be possible that 911 could have been helped/planned by someone in the USA government. If you want to get more power for the president, what better than a war to help that along. I wouldn't put much of anything past the people in power in the USA these days. The country is falling apart and they will do anything to save their own butts.

Thanks Peanut,

Gulf of Tonkin confirmed as False Flag (For anyone still harboring
doubts about the status of the Gulf of Tonkin incident as an example
of a False Flag event, a report made public by the NSA clears it
up. The existence of the report was revealed a couple of years ago,
but the actual report has now been made public, and you can view
it via the Federation of American Scientists blog, "Secrecy News".
Just in time to coincide with the latest Strait of Hormuz incident,
aimed at Iran. -rep.) Report reveals Vietnam War hoaxes, faked
attacks AFP, Tue Jan 8, 9:45 AM ET WASHINGTON (AFP) - North Vietnamese
made hoax calls to get the US military to bomb its own units during
the Vietnam War, according to declassified information that also
confirmed US officials faked an incident to escalate the war....

...The author of the report "demonstrates that not only is it not true,
as (then US) secretary of defense Robert McNamara told Congress, that
the evidence of an attack was 'unimpeachable,' but that to the contrary,
a review of the classified signals intelligence proves that 'no attack
happened that night,'" FAS said in a statement.

"What this study demonstrated is that the available intelligence
shows that there was no attack. It's a dramatic reversal of the
historical record," Aftergood said.

"There were previous indications of this but this is the first time
we have seen the complete study," he said...

Continued...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080108/pl_afp/usvietnamintelligence512
Daniel Ellsberg was aware that the Tonkin incident was a lie very
early on;

"The messages were vivid. Herrick must have been dictating them
from the bridge in between giving orders, as his two ships swerved
to avoid torpedoes picked up on the sonar of the Maddox and fired
in the darkness at targets shown on the radar of the Turner Joy:
"Torpedoes missed. Another fired at us. Four torpedoes in water.
And five torpedoes in water.... Have ... successfully avoided at
least six torpedoes."

Nine torpedoes had been fired at his ships, fourteen, twenty-six.
More attacking boats had been hit; at least one sunk. This action
wasn't ending after forty minutes or an hour. It was going on, ships
dodging and firing in choppy seas, planes overhead firing rockets
at locations given them by the Turner Joy's radar, for an incredible
two hours before the stream of continuous combat updates finally
ended. Then, suddenly, an hour later, full stop. A message arrived
that took back not quite all of it, but enough to put everything
earlier in question.

The courier came in with another single cable, running again, after
an hour of relative quiet in which he had walked in intermittently
at a normal pace with batches of cables from CINCPAC and the Seventh
Fleet and analyses from the State Department and the CIA and other
parts of the Pentagon. I was sitting at my desk - I remember the
moment - trying to put this patchwork of information in some order
for McNaughton on his return, when the courier handed me the following
flash cable from Herrick: "Review of action makes many reported
contacts and torpedoes fired appear doubtful. Freak weather effects
on radar and overeager sonarmen may have accounted for many reports.
No actual visual sightings by Maddox. Suggest complete evaluation
before any further action taken."

It was a little after 2:00 P.M. The message had been sent at 1:27
P.M. Washington time. Half an hour later another message from
Herrick, summarizing positive and negative evidence for an attack,
concluded: "Entire action leaves many doubts except for apparent
attempted ambush at beginning. Suggest thorough reconnaissance in
daylight by aircraft." ...

...The president's announcement and McNamara's press conference late in
the evening of August 4 informed the American public that the North
Vietnamese, for the second time in two days, had attacked U.S. warships
on "routine patrol in international waters"; that this was clearly a
"deliberate" pattern of "naked aggression"; that the evidence for the
second attack, like the first, was "unequivocal"; that the attack had
been "unprovoked"; and that the United States, by responding in order to
deter any repetition, intended no wider war.

By midnight on the fourth, or within a day or two, I knew that each
one of these assurances was false."

- Daniel Ellsberg, Secrets, pp. 9-12

NSA declassified documents released on 11/30/05

http://www.nsa.gov/vietnam/index.cfm


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And yet, nearly every position you two take involves taking away more money, freedom, and power from individuals and handing it over to the gov't.

As if some how, some way, and in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary (much of which you post yourselves) the gov't will miraculously become efficient and effective and stop lying to you.

That's simply brilliant. Pat yourselves on the back for caring.

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elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

Mind posting a link to the last time I condoned giving more power and money to the gov? Be sure to quote the date as well.

Like I said before, I have learned the gov is out for itself. I guess you forgot and are using false or outdated data to detract from the focused conversation we are having here.

More on topic and less personal attacks.

Thx


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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

And yet, nearly every position you two take involves taking away more money, freedom, and power from individuals and handing it over to the gov't.

As if some how, some way, and in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary (much of which you post yourselves) the gov't will miraculously become efficient and effective and stop lying to you.

That's simply brilliant. Pat yourselves on the back for caring.

there are lot of countries which governments are efficient, us could do the same, but what power has individual in society except one vote,quite little else

The planned, but never executed, 1962 Operation Northwoods plot by the U.S. Department of Defense for a war with Cuba involved scenarios such as hijacking a passenger plane, sinking a U.S. ship, burning crops and blaming such actions on Cuba. It was authored by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, nixed by John F. Kennedy, came to light through the Freedom of Information Act and was publicized by James Bamford.

That paragraph sort makes me believe that it just could be possible that 911 could have been helped/planned by someone in the USA government. If you want to get more power for the president, what better than a war to help that along. I wouldn't put much of anything past the people in power in the USA these days. The country is falling apart and they will do anything to save their own butts.

I suppose that 9/11, the sinking of the Lusitania, Pearl Harbor, the assasination of Arch-duke Ferdinand and the invasion of Poland never happened or was cleverly crafted by a Government which you all believe couldn't find it ass with both hands. Why would we be eager to abide the deaths of thousands of our own citizens and destroy ourselves economically time and again?

Perhaps your concern should be turned into action: run for Congress or become a citizen of some other forthright country such as Russia, Korea and so on. I myself have joined the Vast right -wing Conspiracy--

Mind posting a link to the last time I condoned giving more power and money to the gov? Be sure to quote the date as well.

I'm pretty sure you are perfectly capable of looking through your own posting history to see the positions you have taken, and the dates you posted them as well.

Like I said before, I have learned the gov is out for itself.

Yet your seeming support for Barack Hussein, seems to suggest otherwise.

I guess you forgot and are using false or outdated data to detract from the focused conversation we are having here.

No, I was highlighting inconsistency.

More on topic and less personal attacks.

Heh. This is classic. I didn't attack you personally, I noted inconsistencies in your stated positions that undermined your credibility.

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elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

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Like I said before, I have learned the gov is out for itself.

Yet your seeming support for Barack Hussein, seems to suggest otherwise.



can´t write your name right, right
Barak Rushsein, that´s how it should be