I'm not denying such agents exist

It's hard to believe just a few short years ago they were arguing the technology didn't exist...

Now, just a few short years later, they are arguing that it does exist, but nobody is using it...

That's just ludicrous... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

Thanks iggy,

Still... Justice is justice. Better than continuing to let people get away with murder so the next guys who replaces him think it's ok.

That is the point, IMO.

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

I suppose I prefer something over nothing.

"99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name."



Thanks for your thoughts, Iggy.

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

I suppose I prefer something over nothing.

Laughing out loud

You PREFER politicians who intentionally mislead their own constituents? Jesus man, he voted against it himself!!

No, I think like most lefties, you just hate Bush and his administration to a point that you don't even think about the things you say before the words tumble out of your mouth/keyboard.

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The joke is on those who have, and continue, to die because of these peoples actions. The trillions of tax payers dollars that could be doing something like... oh, say... rebuilding New Orleans in under a decade, or improving our school systems so I am not surrounded by ignorant people with no other way to make money than to rob and steal or spread ignorance on the web, or actually be in a position to offer substantial help to the flood victims who are, as we speak, fishing for their belongings in the ol' Mississippi.

My words, at least, address the issue and my feelings about it. What have your words illustrated towards the subject? I see nothing but attacks towards me.

What do you think about the war and those who got us into it?

What would you do if you were in a position to do something about it?


I can see differing in opinion but wow dude. Do you drive your computer drunk?

Kind of like the O'Reilly effect, though. Gets butts in seats.


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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

What do you think about the war and those who got us into it?
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Support the war effort 100% although I personally would have done things differently...I'm an extremist.


it is easy to pretend to be tough guy when you are sitting safely in home.

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"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exist elsewhere in the Universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."
Calvin to the Hobbes

it is easy to pretend to be tough guy when you are sitting safely in home.

Sure is...

...and with a 100% volunteer military, I don't feel 1 shred of guilt about it either.

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Some things need to be done on ones own.


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I'm not denying such agents exist, indeed some employers have been known to install keystroke recorders on their machines. I have not installed such an agent, yet you stated that one is on my PC anyway. You made the assertion, you defend it with evidence.

On the cell phone thing, I guess you're talking about this: "Some handsets can't be fully powered down without removing the battery; for instance, some Nokia models will wake up when turned off if an alarm is set."

My handset is not such a device, when it's powered off it is off.

Even removing the battery is no guarantee now-a-days,

Kind of like the small battery you noticed on your motherboard.

;)

The small battery on the motherboard ensures the system clock advances in the absence of an external power supply. While it's quite likely that some cell phones have a second battery that serves a similar purpose, the ability of that battery to power a transmitter for any significant duration is questionable.

And still no evidence that a keystroke logging agent is installed on my PC, could it be that not everything I type is logged and scanned after all?

The small battery on your motherboard was an example. I know it is for the system clock, etc. Keystroke logging on your system is not needed since you transmit what is watched. I never said there was a keyboard logger on your system. I guess you did?

Keyboard loggers are used as something someone coming into your home can place inline anywhere in or inline of your keyboards connection wire. I didn't say anything about loggers of this kind. Some are software driven and can be on your HDD, though.

Still more questions instead of google? Interesting.

True you weren't specific enough to state it was a keyboard logger but you did say:

Everything you type, every email you send, every web site you visit, is logged and scanned

"Everything I type [...] is logged" So tell me if it's not a keyboard logger, what is the agent that does this? I need more evidence than a request that I google things myself, you made the claim, please defend it with evidence.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

I see nothing but attacks towards me.

I'm an extremist.

Is there any doubt that 911 was self inflicted... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

...and with a 100% volunteer military, I don't feel 1 shred of guilt about it either.

They volunteered because their parents abandoned them and they had nowhere else to turn... ;)

(The irony is: They are back, and the devil has trained them well.)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

Sorry bobby,

Your on your own now. Good luck.

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Sorry bobby,

Your on your own now. Good luck.

On his own?!?!?!

I thought you said we were constantly being monitored?

Perhaps what you meant to say is you no longer intend to preach a sermon you can't prove to be true?

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On his own.


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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Sorry bobby,

Your on your own now. Good luck.

On his own?!?!?!

I thought you said we were constantly being monitored?

Perhaps what you meant to say is you no longer intend to preach a sermon you can't prove to be true?

you haven´t been able to prove anything here but ignorance mr aivokuollut

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"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exist elsewhere in the Universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."
Calvin to the Hobbes

you haven´t been able to prove anything here but ignorance mr aivokuollut

What an amazing coincidence.

I haven't set out to prove anything on this thread. Mr.Gray made the claims, Bobby and I have merely asked for proof. Instead of putting his money where his mouth is, he chose to ignore someone who questioned his propaganda and lack of evidence.

Funny how that works, huh?

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I'm a man

By whose standard? ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

The burden of proof is on the plaintiff, so google it buddy.

That's just classic. Simply classic.

Yes, the burden of proof IS on the plaintiff--in other words, on the claimant. In even other words: the burden of proof is on YOU, Gray.

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Cordially,
Rush

elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

Sorry bobby,

Your on your own now. Good luck.

In other words you have no evidence worth sharing. I've wasted enough of my time fruitlessly googling. As you and others have pointed out the burden of proof is upon the person making the claim, as you're not prepared to provide such evidence I can only conclude your claim is baseless.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...