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OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
You might be able to upgrade the slot 1 to a 1.4ghz Celeron. That is wat I have running in one of my old slot 1 systems. The 1.4 Ghz Celereon which is based on the P3 architecture, is equal to about a 2.8Gh P4. Certain 1.1GHz Celeron's and higher were based upon the Tualatin P3 core, which required specific chipset support. Being that the Tualatin was released around the same time as the P4s and Intel was already getting to release their updated Socket 478 P4s, hardly any P3 boards supported the Tualatin core, but there's still a change. I only state the above because the chance is slim, so I wouldn't get my hopes up. By the way, the Celeron 1.4GHz wasn't as fast as a P4 2.8GHz, that was the P3 Tualatin 1.4GHz. The Celeron 1.4GHz was about as fast as a P4 1.9GHz. And there was not Slot 1 1.4GHz CPUs released. The fastest Slot 1 was the Pentium III 1GHz chip (the 1.1GHz was recalled). The Socket 370 chips, and certain ones only, was able to push that to 1.4GHz. |
Send message Joined: 3 Sep 02 Posts: 396 Credit: 5,293 RAC: 0 |
ok guys i have an update, i have tested it and it works, it picks up 256mb of ram, it has windows 98 plus installed, not sure if that is before or after 98se, no drivers for the OB graphics card so running in 16 colours. it didnt go BANG as i thought it would, having found it in tesco's carpark when it was raining, and no virii so thats a good sign. now the tricky part, i have put in it, a network card, and another in my pc, i have a eathenet crossover cable, as i understand thats the one i need to link 2 pc's. i have installed TightVNC on my pc along with what they recommend DFMirage mirror display driver which is supported in the development version of TightVNC. This driver dramatically improves the performance of TightVNC Server under Windows 2000 and Windows XP. (maybe it wont work with win98 plus. i still cannot find out what motherboard is in it. what free prog can i get that will tell me? i have a linux cd with Ubuntu on it, someone told me i could use that. can i? last but not least, step by step, idiot proof none tech talk me through linking both pc's and getting seti to run on the other one please, i know this will be a hard task for some of you, (keeping to none tech words, for me) but i have a better understanding of terms like, "the square plug" not like "the eaa365s plug" dont go looking to see what that plug is, i made it up lol and i know that "boot it" dont mean "give it a kick" but having said that, my monitor has only been dropped twice, and i backed over it once with my car, and when it wouldnt work i kicked it and fixed it. see i am tech savy at times. pmsl i would really like yout help, and any links to anything that might help would be more than welcome. thanx sammie xXx I AM NOT FAT! I AM BIG-BONED! |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19064 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
To identifiy the components incl motherboard try a utility like PCWizard, there are several others available. If that fails a more difficult way is to read the last few blocks, of the last line of the intial startup screen, something like nnnn-xxxx-pp-qq-GA694102-F. And google your code (GA694102-F for example), the code should be a unique code to the mobo. The example given is the code for a Gigabyte dual P3 mobo. Andy |
KD [SETI.USA] Send message Joined: 24 Oct 99 Posts: 459 Credit: 2,513,131 RAC: 0 |
Hi, Without knowing your internet source and OS's, it will be difficult for anyone to give you a step-by-step guide. If I'm interpreting your post correctly; You have two PC's (PC "A", PC "B"). PC "A" has your internet connection, which you want to share with PC "B" using a crossover cable. PC "B" is running Win98 "Plus". (Is this Win98SE?) What OS is PC "A" running and how is it getting it's internet? If its coming into an ethernet NIC, then I'm assuming it has two NIC cards? (One for your internet and one to run the other PC into?) Is there a router upstream or do have a cable/dsl/etc modem plugged straight into it? Without knowing this, its not possible to really give you clear step-by-steps. In the meantime, maybe this will give you a start: Win98SE ICS: http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/ics/icstour.htm WinXP ICS: http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp_ics/ (Keep in mind that while ICS will do what you want, connect two PC's together to share internet, it is known to occassionally be a little "squirrely". Using an actual hardware router, even a cheap $20 wired router, definetly makes life easier. You'll get by with ICS for just two computers, but when you want to add a third -- you'll want to consider a hardware router.) |
Jim Bailey Send message Joined: 22 Nov 99 Posts: 19 Credit: 8,282 RAC: 0 |
Here's my 2 cents worth: I use one 4-port KVM, a 16 port network hub, and RealVNC to run 7 boxes using one monitor, keyboard, and mouse. The only reason I still use the KVM is that on the old quad PIII Xeons you have to enter ctrl-alt-del before you can enter your password. (I keep all the 'puters locked to keep the riff-raff out, ie the kids) As long as the nic comes on line and you can enter your password using RealVNC there's no need for the KVM. At one time we had 25 'puters online running a mix of 98SE, Win2k Pro, and Win2k Server. Had several KVMs daisy chained together, same for the network hubs. Switched to VNC and removed all but the one KVM. Never had any problems booting as long as there is a video card installed in each box. |
Misfit Send message Joined: 21 Jun 01 Posts: 21804 Credit: 2,815,091 RAC: 0 |
I have an older computer my wife uses to play her old win95 and DOS based games on. A Celeron 1.4 Tualitin, 512 MB Kingmax on a SOYO mobo running win98se. It's not running BOINC and it doesn't have an internet connection. me@rescam.org |
Send message Joined: 3 Sep 02 Posts: 396 Credit: 5,293 RAC: 0 |
ok the old guy has win98 not 98se, and my pc has xp home, i have FTP problems with my pc so i dont want to put xp sp2 on the old guy as i would like to test it for speed with the FTP to my server, that would give me an idea if the FTP issue is my OS or not. the FTP issue i have is only on the upload speed, i can send a zipped file 40mb in 2 -3 minutes, but a 40mb folder unzipped takes 4-6 hours. it starts off fast but when it gets to small files, or after about 1mb it hits a brick wall and slows to less than 56k modem speeds. i can send at 500KB/s i have a 12MBit connection. i dont want to go and spend a lot of money just to crunch numbers for seti, i either do it with what i have or dont. it's thats simple, i can toss the old pc's out for all i care, i just thought if i have them and they can be used for seti, then give it a try. pc A xp home, 2 NIC cards cable modem in one, the other free, pc B win98 1 NIC card, can change the OS to win98se or winME sammie x I AM NOT FAT! I AM BIG-BONED! |
KD [SETI.USA] Send message Joined: 24 Oct 99 Posts: 459 Credit: 2,513,131 RAC: 0 |
ok the old guy has win98 not 98se, and my pc has xp home Hi, Great! Real easy then. On XP PC, go into net connections, hold down CTL as you left click both nics. With both highlighted, right click and choose 'Bridge'. Thats it. (Sorry being short, I'm on my PSP.) (Can someone follow him up on remote_hosts.cfg) |
jeffusa Send message Joined: 21 Aug 02 Posts: 224 Credit: 1,809,275 RAC: 0 |
You might be able to upgrade the slot 1 to a 1.4ghz Celeron. That is wat I have running in one of my old slot 1 systems. The 1.4 Ghz Celereon which is based on the P3 architecture, is equal to about a 2.8Gh P4. I was referring the 1.4Ghz Tualitin that you mentioned. In my benchmark comparisons a 1.4Ghz Tualitin is roughly equal to a 2.8Ghz P4. Remember the Core 2 and the Pentium M architecture comes from the Tualitin. It is possible to make this upgrade with a Powerleap upgrade. That lets you run it in a slot 1 system. That is what I have in my slot 1 system. Yes, the fastest standard slot 1 chip from Intel was the 1Ghz but you can go to 1.4 Ghz with the Powerleap upgrade. |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
I was referring the 1.4Ghz Tualitin that you mentioned. In my benchmark comparisons a 1.4Ghz Tualitin is roughly equal to a 2.8Ghz P4. Remember the Core 2 and the Pentium M architecture comes from the Tualitin. It is possible to make this upgrade with a Powerleap upgrade. That lets you run it in a slot 1 system. That is what I have in my slot 1 system. Yes, the fastest standard slot 1 chip from Intel was the 1Ghz but you can go to 1.4 Ghz with the Powerleap upgrade. Ah yes, the Powerleap upgrade. That technically uses a Socket 370 to Slot 1 Adapter, which means it's still a Socket 370 chip. ;) I know the P-M and the Core 2 come from the Tualatin core, but I don't really think they're up to, or as fast as a P4 at twice the speed. The only reason why the Core 2 can do that is because of the increase in Instructions Per Cycle from Tualatin's 3 to 4, and the shared L2 cache helps out tremendously. The Tualatin P3 1.4GHz should be about as fast as a P4 2GHz while the Celeron Tualatin 1.4GHz should be about as fast as a P4 1.8 or 1.9GHz. But enough thread hijacking - Sammie's looking for help! ;) |
Send message Joined: 3 Sep 02 Posts: 396 Credit: 5,293 RAC: 0 |
I was referring the 1.4Ghz Tualitin that you mentioned. In my benchmark comparisons a 1.4Ghz Tualitin is roughly equal to a 2.8Ghz P4. Remember the Core 2 and the Pentium M architecture comes from the Tualitin. It is possible to make this upgrade with a Powerleap upgrade. That lets you run it in a slot 1 system. That is what I have in my slot 1 system. Yes, the fastest standard slot 1 chip from Intel was the 1Ghz but you can go to 1.4 Ghz with the Powerleap upgrade. But enough thread hijacking - Sammie's looking for help! ;) i dont mind, i like to read it and maybe learn something. :) I AM NOT FAT! I AM BIG-BONED! |
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