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Message 157147 - Posted: 26 Aug 2005, 2:13:34 UTC
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Hi,
this just in:
Sign the Seti Boinc high availability (24x7) Petition:
http://www.petitiononline.com/seti24x7/petition.html

Please, no flames in the petition. Its a petition from a user point of view.

Read the petition and comment please.

Thanks
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Message 157149 - Posted: 26 Aug 2005, 2:27:03 UTC - in response to Message 157147.  

Hi,
this just in:
Sign the Seti Boinc high availability (24x7) Petition:
http://www.petitiononline.com/seti24x7/petition.html

Please, no flames in the petition. Its a petition from a user point of view.

Read the petition and comment please.

Thanks
Oliver



Go to Flames thread....
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Message 157162 - Posted: 26 Aug 2005, 2:46:40 UTC - in response to Message 157149.  

Go to Flames thread....

Why? Its not flame. Its a petition.
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Message 157167 - Posted: 26 Aug 2005, 2:56:59 UTC

Since the Seti Boinc project has launched, many service downtime has been experienced. This problem never happend that often with the original SETI@Home (SetiClassic) project.


Stealing a post by Paul D. Buck from here:

* 1999
* 2000
* 2001
* 2002
* 2003

Which are the technical logs from the old SETI@Home site. The only thing I did to them was clean up spelling mistakes and link into the old glossary. But, if you are going to use history as your weapon, make sure that you know what you are using.


You may want to read through the logs.
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Message 157169 - Posted: 26 Aug 2005, 3:00:01 UTC - in response to Message 157147.  

Hi,
this just in:
Sign the Seti Boinc high availability (24x7) Petition:
http://www.petitiononline.com/seti24x7/petition.html

Please, no flames in the petition. Its a petition from a user point of view.

Read the petition and comment please.

Thanks
Oliver


Hi Oliver,

Well.... where do I start? one of the purposes of BOINC is to be better able to withstand outages (which DID and DO happen in Classic) by allowing you to work on multiple different projects. This means that a 100% uptime is not required of this, or any other BOINC project.

I agree that at this moment, there are many projects that are down and/or out of work, and that this is very stressful for many of us crunchers. However, since you have been crunching since basically the very beginning, you must remember that there were regular outages in the first year or so of Classic as well.

In fact, the major reason that add-ons such as SETI-Driver and SETI-Spy were developed was to help the users weather the outages without letting their computers cool off.

Now, not only is this capability part of the "vanilla install", the multiple projects acts as an additional buffer.

Another reason that there have been outages and such is that because Classic is still up and running, the wonderful folks at Berkeley can't move all of their power over to BOINC, they have to support 2 databases of WUs, 2 sets of up/download systems, 2 sets of validators (yes, the Classic WUs get validated, currently ~50 MILLION units behind), the two SETIs also share the same bandwidth, causing more connections to be dropped.

But they are working on it.

And I also noticed that you didn't even bother signing your own petition...

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Message 157177 - Posted: 26 Aug 2005, 3:08:47 UTC - in response to Message 157162.  

Go to Flames thread....

Why? Its not flame. Its a petition.



Because I flamed you for your lame ass petition.
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Message 157181 - Posted: 26 Aug 2005, 3:15:34 UTC

The thing that really bites is that these noobs and "Classic" converts seem to think Berkeley "owes" us something. *** NEWS FLASH *** We're ALL volunteers there.... Attach to other BOINC projects and your computer[s] will blissfully crunch away throughout any projects' outage. How will a petition help the Berkeley devs work any faster to fix any problems? It won't! All it will do is create discontent, and way more negativity than there already is. So, just have patience....

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Message 157185 - Posted: 26 Aug 2005, 3:21:23 UTC - in response to Message 157181.  

How will a petition help the Berkeley devs work any faster to fix any problems? It won't!

Oh I don't know, he can sign up to the developer's email list and post it there for Dr. Anderson to laugh at. ;)
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Message 157187 - Posted: 26 Aug 2005, 3:24:01 UTC - in response to Message 157185.  

How will a petition help the Berkeley devs work any faster to fix any problems? It won't!

Oh I don't know, he can sign up to the developer's email list and post it there for Dr. Anderson to laugh at. ;)

Bah hahahahahahahahahaha cough, hack hahahahaha, hack, gag, hack hahaha.... >:-) (-:<

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Message 157190 - Posted: 26 Aug 2005, 3:27:37 UTC - in response to Message 157187.  
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Bah hahahahahahahahahaha cough, hack hahahahaha, hack, gag, hack hahaha....

Don't try this at home kids, to make your favorite Vulcan laugh and choke in it. Mr. Spock will haunt you for years to come.
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Message 157191 - Posted: 26 Aug 2005, 3:27:38 UTC

If you look at the sponsors link on the Seti home page it states:
"SETI@home is a nonprofit educational and research organization that relies heavily on donations to continue its work."
Crunching numbers is voluntary and not a right. I see it even as a privelege to be able to do something which may make a huge difference in the future.

Were they a profit organisation in which I had a vested interest, or a public utility, a petition might be warranted.

I have said it before and I will say it here again... I take my hats off to the guys (and gals) at BOINC and SETI for their work. When you consider the amount of work which has already gone into the entire system, overall it can only be called a resounding success. You will get no signature from me.

If you are running out of work in Seti you might like to try Einstein or one of the other projects. I have and am considering others also.
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Message 157192 - Posted: 26 Aug 2005, 3:28:47 UTC
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I'm suprised there wasn't another thread created in NC for this...

And if you happen to find a project or a computer that's 24/7 please let me know.
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Message 157194 - Posted: 26 Aug 2005, 3:32:46 UTC

if there's anything the people in charge of seti boinc want...it's for the program to work well...to have high availability (as you say)...to send them a petition at this point would be insulting...it's like saying that the recent problems with seti boinc are an evil plot...and you're standing up to tell them to cut it out and get with the program!...what you're doing seems reasonable...until you consider that the folks at SETI BOINC HQ are working their asses off trying to fix things...they don't need a petition to tell them to do that...they are more upset than we are about this...so please lighten up...and save the petition for a cause that really needs one.

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Message 157197 - Posted: 26 Aug 2005, 3:35:43 UTC

Someone signed his petition.
here
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Message 157201 - Posted: 26 Aug 2005, 3:43:31 UTC - in response to Message 157197.  

Someone signed his petition.
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1. ASS Whole U R A A W

ROTFLMAO!!! :-D
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Message 157221 - Posted: 26 Aug 2005, 4:15:17 UTC - in response to Message 157194.  

if there's anything the people in charge of seti boinc want...it's for the program to work well...to have high availability (as you say)...to send them a petition at this point would be insulting...it's like saying that the recent problems with seti boinc are an evil plot...and you're standing up to tell them to cut it out and get with the program!...what you're doing seems reasonable...until you consider that the folks at SETI BOINC HQ are working their asses off trying to fix things...they don't need a petition to tell them to do that...they are more upset than we are about this...so please lighten up...and save the petition for a cause that really needs one.

Hey, Dan, go IM....

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Message 157228 - Posted: 26 Aug 2005, 4:40:44 UTC - in response to Message 157192.  

I'm suprised there wasn't another thread created in NC for this...

It's their revenge for all those flames they lost.
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Message 157253 - Posted: 26 Aug 2005, 5:18:40 UTC

[font='courier,courier new']Two questions: (1) How do expect to enforce the petition, (2) when you can't control the problem?

Bad idea.[/font]
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Message 157268 - Posted: 26 Aug 2005, 5:39:11 UTC - in response to Message 157181.  

The thing that really bites is that these noobs and "Classic" converts seem to think Berkeley "owes" us something. *** NEWS FLASH *** We're ALL volunteers there.... Attach to other BOINC projects and your computer[s] will blissfully crunch away throughout any projects' outage. How will a petition help the Berkeley devs work any faster to fix any problems? It won't! All it will do is create discontent, and way more negativity than there already is. So, just have patience....


Except for the predjudicial comments about "noobs and Classic converts" I agree. All I was ever asked to do was donate some unused computer power. NOTHING ELSE. Nobody asked me to take over, or tell them what to do, or try to run things in any way. When they have work I will do it, when they don't.. Maybe I'll get a life.

BTW, I had some outages of my own recently and will have some more in the future but nobody from SETI complained.

Keep crunching(when you can),
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Message 157276 - Posted: 26 Aug 2005, 5:45:38 UTC - in response to Message 157253.  
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Bad idea.

Look at those results!

Or look here, http://www.petitiononline.com/leeches/
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