Okay people, time for a common sense reality check. The facts below were either found on credible websites or from my own observation.

First, anyone who drives a vehicle and cannot or refuses to keep it in good repair needs to ride a bus. I do not believe we should crud up our world or the air around it just because we can't afford car repairs and a trash bill.

But...

Don't tell me how evil we are for damaging our delicate little "planet". For example, have you ever smog checked a pine tree? I have, a handfull of pine needles causes a hydrocarbon gasbench to go berserk, the same one that only reads 50, 40 or even barely 10 parts per million out of a well maintained vehicles tailpipe.

Electric cars are "gross polluters". You start out with say 1Mw of coal fired heat energy, that's 1333 Hp. After all the transmission, control circuit and motor losses, you'll get a whopping 50 horsepower. All that burned coal for a scrawny 50 horsepower. And I didn't mention battery loss in the car and mechanical loss' at the plant. Don't forget, the batteries in these cars don't last forever, they're loaded with toxins and because of environmental laws, are a real bitch to recycle. Yeah, those electric cars are real clean bargain, huh?

Hybrid cars are no bargain, either. They cost $20,000 or $30,000, for a compact. A Kia can be had for $7,000 or $8,000, they're of pretty good quality, too. For the record, I don't own a Kia, but I do maintain and work on all kinds of cars at my place of employment. Let's break all this down:

The difference in cost, $12,000 to $22,000 in gas is 6,000 to 11,000 gallons of gas, currently.
The Kia gets 30 MPG, that's 180,000 to 330,000 miles.
Cars seem to last just about 200,000 to 300,000 miles, currently.
Non hybrids are less complex and cheaper to maintain.
They have more room, because you're not carying around a huge battery. Just a guess, but I bet if you removed that 1000 pound battery, the MPG would be the same.
They're not an eyesore (Just my opinion).

Public transportaion moves and pollutes at all times, even empty. Private transportation only moves and pollutes when it is occupied.

Any owner of a vehicle that is deemed a gross polluter and displays a some kind of environmentalist bumper sticker should be charged double for a smog check until it is removed, just for being a hypocrite. It should also be legal to vandalize a vehicle with the above sticker on it, if it is an older smog exempt vehicle, like a '65 beetle with flowers and peace signs painted all over it that spews noxious pollutants, for example. I know, we can't do these things, but it'd be fun.

The components in banned refrigerants and cheap propellants in spraycans that react with and destroy ozone are:
chlorine, Atomic weight: 35.453
fluorine, Atomic weight: 18.9984032

The primary components of Earths atmosphere are:
carbon, Atomic weight: 12.0107
nitrogen, Atomic weight: 14.0067
oxygen, Atomic weight: 15.9994

As you can see, chlorine and fluorine are both heavier than the most abundant elements that our atmosphere is composed of. How can they even get to the ozone layers when they sink to the ground and are absorbed by it immediately?

The average fast-food joint goes through 250 to 300 liquid gallons of CO2 a year to carbonate softdrinks. CO2 is an evil "must be gotten rid of at all costs" green-house gas, the same one that trees live on from which they produce oxygen.

Speaking of trees, here's an amusing fact. Due to the planting, harvesting and managing of trees as a crop, there are more trees, un-diseased trees, in North America now than there was 200 years ago.

If the population of the entire world (6,000,000,000) were given all the land in the United States (9,158,960 sq miles), each person would have almost an entire acre of dry land. Also, why do the population hand-wringers want to pack us all into overpopulated cities? Yeah, let's talk about overpopulation, now.

Finally, the average volcano eruption expels more pollutants into the atmosphere from pimary and secondary emmissions than all of mankind has since we discovered how to use fire. Oh, by the way, they launch chlorine, fluorine and sulfur dioxide dozens of miles into the atmosphere through velocity and convection, well into the lower ozone layers. I move we ban volcano eruptions, or we're all doomed in ten years.

It's not about the environment, it's about nationalizing directly or indirectly as many aspects of our economy and lives as possible. Don't believe me? Maybe you'll beleive the groups that support these laws, look at the agendas right there on their web sites. This is why I call them "Enviro-Nazis".

Also, don't even let me find your trash out here in the desert I live in. Seeing as how all the Enviro-Nazis are too busy with demonstrations, you will get it back from me, at the address on the mail I find in it, COD. Now that's a recycling program I like.

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Newer, cleaner ways of using fossil fuels are available, but it's cheaper not to use them, which insures higher profits.

Well of course. A) They don't provide energy for free, they try to earn a profit. B) Most utilities are required by law to pass all savings directly to consumers. Which in reality means they spend no money whatsoever on improving technology, lowering costs, or bettering performance. They have no reason to.

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Cordially,
Rush

elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

Finally, the average volcano eruption expels more pollutants into the atmosphere from pimary and secondary emmissions than all of mankind has since we discovered how to use fire. Oh, by the way, they launch chlorine, fluorine and sulfur dioxide dozens of miles into the atmosphere through velocity and convection, well into the lower ozone layers. I move we ban volcano eruptions, or we're all doomed in ten years.

The planet can cope with this but its a very fine balance, what is (allegedly, for i'm staying impartial) the problem is the extra bit humans are pumping into the atmosphere being the proverbial straw that breaks the camels back and pushing the planet over the edge. The global balance is a very sensitive thing.

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Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.

The planet can cope with this but its a very fine balance, what is (allegedly, for i'm staying impartial) the problem is the extra bit humans are pumping into the atmosphere being the proverbial straw that breaks the camels back and pushing the planet over the edge. The global balance is a very sensitive thing.

That's simply wrong. Eruptions like Pinatubo and Krakatoa can pump more greenhouse gas into the atmosphere than all of the industrialized nations combined.

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Cordially,
Rush

elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

The planet can cope with this but its a very fine balance, what is (allegedly, for i'm staying impartial) the problem is the extra bit humans are pumping into the atmosphere being the proverbial straw that breaks the camels back and pushing the planet over the edge. The global balance is a very sensitive thing.

That's simply wrong. Eruptions like Pinatubo and Krakatoa can pump more greenhouse gas into the atmosphere than all of the industrialized nations combined.

*Sigh*
Yes but the planet can cope with its Natural releases of greenhouse gas, Its mankinds Unnatural addition to this pushing the planet over the edge. (Apparantly)

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Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.

*Sigh*
Yes but the planet can cope with its Natural releases of greenhouse gas, Its mankinds Unnatural addition to this pushing the planet over the edge. (Apparantly)

*Sigh*
If the gas mankind releases is just a small fluctuation of greenhouse gas as compared to what the planet can and does inflict on itself, then it is far less likely that our emissions are the problem. This planet has warmed and cooled itself in and out of ice ages long before we ever came along. In other words, it doesn't need us to do it, and the volcanoes won’t sign Kyoto.

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Cordially,
Rush

elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

*Sigh*
Yes but the planet can cope with its Natural releases of greenhouse gas, Its mankinds Unnatural addition to this pushing the planet over the edge. (Apparantly)

*Sigh*
If the gas mankind releases is just a small fluctuation of greenhouse gas as compared to what the planet can and does inflict on itself, then it is far less likely that our emissions are the problem. This planet has warmed and cooled itself in and out of ice ages long before we ever came along. In other words, it doesn't need us to do it, and the volcanoes won’t sign Kyoto.

We lets hope it doesn't put itself into one in our lifetime, i'll keep driving my LPG converted car though.

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Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.

[/quote]We lets hope it doesn't put itself into one in our lifetime, i'll keep driving my LPG converted car though.[/quote]

Go nuts. Enjoy.

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Cordially,
Rush

elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

NASA Commander Eileen Collins said "The atmosphere almost looks like an eggshell on an egg, it's so very thin," she said. "We know that we don't have much air, we need to protect what we have."

What do you think of her statment.

It's amazing how you can see environmental damage from the shuttle, but nobody in the environment can figure out a way to prevent damage ON the shuttle...

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Stewie: So, is there any tread left on the tires? Or at this point would it be like throwing a hot dog down a hallway?

Fox Sunday (US) at 9PM ET/PT

NASA Commander Eileen Collins said "The atmosphere almost looks like an eggshell on an egg, it's so very thin," she said. "We know that we don't have much air, we need to protect what we have."

What do you think of her statment.

It's amazing how you can see environmental damage from the shuttle, but nobody in the environment can figure out a way to prevent damage ON the shuttle...

Stop using the lowest contract bidder.

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NASA Commander Eileen Collins said "The atmosphere almost looks like an eggshell on an egg, it's so very thin," she said. "We know that we don't have much air, we need to protect what we have."

What do you think of her statment.

"We know that we don't have much air"

photosynthesis DO'OH!

"we need to protect what we have."

Out Law Volcano's, and flood the desserts!
also Ban Dried up old geezers that do pesticide chemistry....

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What do you think of her statment.

I forgot to answer the question: I think she's full of liberal crap.

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Cordially,
Rush

elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

Of all the so called green energy system around i think the most interesting one is the hot rock steam project in South Australia its a completly sealed system that draws energy for a volcanic seam.

now wouldnt that kind of energy draw energy from the earth diminishing volcanic eruptions and nullifying our added unnatural strain on the so called fragile cycle of the planet.

Ohh and dont get me wrong i dont mean just the one power plant i mean all power plants imagine we might actually find a balance in the system.

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Out Law Volcano's, and flood the desserts!

(snip)
Flood the desserts? Okay, the ladies will probably want to flood the cheesecake and I'll flood the Apple Pies... :o)

also Ban Dried up old geezers that do pesticide chemistry....

Yes, just let them smoke pipes instead...good for the "T" zone

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Stewie: So, is there any tread left on the tires? Or at this point would it be like throwing a hot dog down a hallway?

Fox Sunday (US) at 9PM ET/PT

Ohh and dont get me wrong i dont mean just the one power plant i mean all power plants imagine we might actually find a balance in the system.

I think the environmentalist wackos (to be clear, the wackos, not all environmentalists) even have a problem with geothermal drilling. Which is why Hawaii ain't powered 100% by geothermal power.

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Cordially,
Rush

elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

I think the environmentalist wackos (to be clear, the wackos, not all environmentalists) even have a problem with geothermal drilling. Which is why Hawaii ain't powered 100% by geothermal power.

Perhaps, but they are laughing all the way to the bank (at least Willie Nelson is) over the fact that refined soybean and corn products may just be the answer to refined petroleum product shortages.

Of course they'll NEVER let us build refineries to convert the product to fuel...

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Stewie: So, is there any tread left on the tires? Or at this point would it be like throwing a hot dog down a hallway?

Fox Sunday (US) at 9PM ET/PT

Of course they'll NEVER let us build refineries to convert the product to fuel...

Hell, all you need is a remote patch of woods and a decently designed still. And what you don't burn you can get pretty well obliviated with.

-Mr. anon

PS: Yeah I know they're illegal.

Hell, all you need is a remote patch of woods and a decently designed still. And what you don't burn you can get pretty well obliviated with.
PS: Yeah I know they're illegal.

Actually, making alcohol for one's own consumption is not illegal. Most states allow up to a certain amount per year for personal use. It gets 'illegal' when you sell it to other people or exceed your allotment.

Several really good microbreweries got their start in the late 90s, because of the 'personal use' that blossomed into a word-of-mouth customer base.

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Stewie: So, is there any tread left on the tires? Or at this point would it be like throwing a hot dog down a hallway?

Fox Sunday (US) at 9PM ET/PT

Actually, making alcohol for one's own consumption is not illegal. Most states allow up to a certain amount per year for personal use. It gets 'illegal' when you sell it to other people or exceed your allotment.

200 gals. of Beer and/or Wine is OK. Alcohol from a still is illegal unless you make a formal application to BATF and pay a hefty tax on what you produce and even then unless you are a commercial enterprise in the business of making booze or fuel commercially you will be denied a permit. Even the tiny stills we used in the university chem. lab had to be licensed every year. Moonshining is "still" illegal.

-Mr. anon

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2 ways...

all do as my uncle does... he has a totally solar powered house and uses no grid electrisity nor generators (it woudl cost more tehn the solar gear to get conected to teh grid as he is preaty remote)

or grow huge forests of quick growing trees, burn tehm as fuel in powerstations and plant soem more... (renewable and carbon neutral)

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