> yes, please, take this to the café.

We got him to leave the Cafe because he finally realized he wasn't protected there. He came here, under the auspices of the moderators. Nothing in Cafe, posted at him, was ever deleted. Here, I have seen messages disappear for whatever reason. I do agree with you in that this is not the place to reveal the truth about him, but, I for one will refrain from insults, name calling and the like, since he elected to come here.

> and i am not joining either side, but a website BY DEFAULT logs your IP, OS,
> Browser and version, how long you were there, each page you pulled, where you
> came from, where you went to, etc etc.

It is not expected that anyone join any side....

> and so i see my IP in BrainSmashR's .sig, whoopdeedo. i don't see your's. IPs
> are pretty easy to get, besides, mine is readily available as i run a
> webserver and ftp. if you are scared of someone getting your IP, have your ISP
> make you dynamic. his .sig does nothing more that grab info that you are
> broadcasting. plus, if he is logging them from his .sig, then he is getting
> thousands everday as everyone reads a thread he has posted in, how is he going
> to know which one you are exactly?

Initially, it angered me to see my IP address in his sig. I was told that he couldn't do anything with it, so I dropped the issue. When we discovered what he said the sig is really doing, I posed those questions again. The real reason was to show that this guy will NOT dispute anything we know to be fact.

As for my IP address being displayed in his sig, which by the way has nothing whatsoever to do with SETI or other BOINC projects, is inappropriate on his part. Even SETI@Home does not display my IP address without asking first.

> anyway, sorry to everyone else for prolonging this thread.
>
> Micah
>

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L8R....

T'Khasi Time: Saturday, 26 March 2005 - 06:44 AM --800 (Pacific Standard Time)

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

> Initially, it angered me to see my IP address in his sig. I was told that
> he couldn't do anything with it, so I dropped the issue. When we discovered
> what he said the sig is really doing, I posed those questions again.
> The real reason was to show that this guy will NOT dispute anything we
> know to be fact.

It may be inappropriate, but it's also clearly in the category of "stupid internet tricks."

For example, I serve up my signature graphics from my server, so I theoretically have the addresses for each of you in my server logs.

I have the previous page you were on, which is almost always going to be the forum index page. If you have the forum(s) bookmarked, then the referring page will be blank.

I have a list of IP addresses, but I don't have names to go with them. I don't know which of those addresses are static (and still valid) and which are dynamic.

But mostly, we're seeing a PHP script that shows the IP: it shows BrainSmashR's IP when he sees it, it shows Siran's when he sees it, and it shows mine when I see it. ... and it generally upsets people because they all assume it shows the same IP all the time.

I guess it makes things slightly less secure, because if you don't have a proper firewall (and not one of those stupid software firewalls -- if the firewall isn't at least a foot from the computer it is kinda meaningless), then I theoretically have a list of addresses I can attack if a security hole is found in the BOINC RPC.

... but then again, this is virtually meaningless because most folks do have good security, and those on dialup won't be on that same IP next time they dial.

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> It may be inappropriate, but it's also clearly in the category of "stupid
> internet tricks."
>
> For example, I serve up my signature graphics from my server, so I
> theoretically have the addresses for each of you in my server logs.
>
> I have the previous page you were on, which is almost always going to be the
> forum index page. If you have the forum(s) bookmarked, then the referring
> page will be blank.
>
> I have a list of IP addresses, but I don't have names to go with them. I
> don't know which of those addresses are static (and still valid) and which are
> dynamic.
>
> But mostly, we're seeing a PHP script that shows the IP: it shows
> BrainSmashR's IP when he sees it, it shows Siran's when he sees it, and it
> shows mine when I see it. ... and it generally upsets people because they all
> assume it shows the same IP all the time.
>
> I guess it makes things slightly less secure, because if you don't have a
> proper firewall (and not one of those stupid software firewalls -- if the
> firewall isn't at least a foot from the computer it is kinda meaningless),
> then I theoretically have a list of addresses I can attack if a security hole
> is found in the BOINC RPC.
>
> ... but then again, this is virtually meaningless because most folks do have
> good security, and those on dialup won't be on that same IP next time they
> dial.
>
Actually, the thing that bothers me about using my real name is outfits like Google that have those spiders that harvest your name and put it up there for the whole world to see. That hasn't caused me yet to start hiding behind a fake handle, but it is an invasion of privacy, and a deterrence to using one's real name in forums such as these.

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--Bill

> Actually, the thing that bothers me about using my real name is outfits like
> Google that have those spiders that harvest your name and put it up there for
> the whole world to see. That hasn't caused me yet to start hiding behind a
> fake handle, but it is an invasion of privacy, and a deterrence to using one's
> real name in forums such as these.

Not much.

I'm a fairly big privacy advocate, and while "Ned Ludd" isn't my real name, I use it here because I think it's funny. Those who have studied history get the joke.

To me, the only really big issue is letting an E-Mail address get into a forum that isn't secured as well as this one (I'm not talking high-security, just enough to stop the spiders). I've been on a couple of mailing lists where some idiot decided to set up his private archive, the archive got spidered, and now I get offers for all kinds of Pharmaceuticals that I don't want.

... but that isn't a privacy violation as much as it's an irritation. I can create a mailbox and just by creating it that mailbox will start getting spam within a couple of weeks.

Remember: when they outlaw privacy only outlaws will have privacy.

But the whole thing with BrainSmashR and displaying the IP is almost funny, because he isn't collecting any information that he can actually use.

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> But the whole thing with BrainSmashR and displaying the IP is almost funny,
> because he isn't collecting any information that he can actually use.
>

Celtic Wolf is not my real name either :)

As for BrainSmashR You really need to do an internet search on this guy. He has been quoted on server hacker sites and one of his posts actually tried to download an Active-X script.

The real point is his graphic is a PHP script and we don't actually know what it is doing. I too am a web host and I know that you can do just about anything you want if you have a desire. It was I that convince Siran that just having an IP does not a hacker make; however, given BrainSmashR's politics, his racism and the web spaces he frequents I would prefer not to take a chance.

My friends in their zeal to rid SETI of this potential menace may not have come across as well as one would like but they are coming from a position of dealing with this guy in the Cafe'.

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> As for BrainSmashR You really need to do an internet search on this guy. He
> has been quoted on server hacker sites and one of his posts actually tried to
> download an Active-X script.

Which to me says less about BrainSmashR than it does about Microsoft, because Active-X is way too good a tool if you want to do serious damage.

It is one of the many reasons that Friends don't let Friends use Internet Explorer.

> The real point is his graphic is a PHP script and we don't actually know what
> it is doing. I too am a web host and I know that you can do just about
> anything you want if you have a desire. It was I that convince Siran that
> just having an IP does not a hacker make; however, given BrainSmashR's
> politics, his racism and the web spaces he frequents I would prefer not to
> take a chance.

Active-X is a threat because it runs on the client. PHP runs on the host so I'd still expect him to be limited to what the browser tells him, and that isn't a whole lot. There are some tricks to do a little more, and I know there are some buffer overruns that might be used to do something if someone is using vulnerable software.

I looked at my server logs -- for the site that serves my "stats" graphic (the PHP code from Petrus, unmodified) and yesterday I saw 450 unique IP addresses and since the site doesn't get much traffic otherwise, I can guess that most are running BOINC.

... it might be wise to add www.BrainSmashR.com to our hosts files, and point it to 127.0.0.1.

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> however, given BrainSmashR's politics, his racism and the web spaces he
> frequents I would prefer not to take a chance.

Ahhh, so white republicans who frequent phpNuke based websites are potential hackers?

Here's a hint Einstein, I'm a partial admin on a phpNuke support site with over 31,000 registered users and already 3.4 million pages views this month alone.

You'll see my nick and signature on a whole bunch of sites, 99% of which are phpNuke or Nuke flavored despite whatever other pattern you claim to see.

This user added to ignore list.


> I looked at my server logs -- for the site that serves my "stats" graphic (the > PHP code from Petrus, unmodified) and yesterday I saw 450 unique IP addresses
> and since the site doesn't get much traffic otherwise, I can guess that most
> are running BOINC.

> ... it might be wise to add www.BrainSmashR.com to our hosts files, and point
> it to 127.0.0.1.


I won't deny that being a little over my head.....

Are you saying you can attribute 450 unique hits to my actions alone? That by doing nothing more than advertising and hosting boincwapstats on my server and making a port so I could use it with my own website too, that I have generated new traffic for you?

And for that I should have my server "ignored"?

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> You'll see my nick and signature on a whole bunch of sites, 99% of
> which are phpNuke or Nuke flavored despite whatever other pattern you
> claim to see.

oOH!!! Now that's impressive! ;-)


> Are you saying you can attribute 450 unique hits to my actions alone? That by
> doing nothing more than advertising and hosting <a> href="http://www.brainsmashr.com/boinc">boincwapstats[/url] on my server and
> making a port so I could use it with my own website too, that I have generated
> new traffic for you?
>
> And for that I should have my server "ignored"?

Can you believe how thick this guy is!

Here's the other 1% of the sites he visits...

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> I won't deny that being a little over my head.....

[snip]

> And for that I should have my server "ignored"?

I'm saying that listing the browser's IP in your graphic isn't dangerous, but it is mean spirited.

The graphic doesn't advertise BOINC statistics it advertises your site -- and while that's nice, I don't see a connection to SETI.

... and if one wishes to stop their machine from contacting yours, they can do so easily.

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hey Siran t' T'Khasi i like your Avatar :P

greetings

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http://www.martin-karch.de

> hey Siran t' T'Khasi i like your Avatar :P
>
> greetings
>
If he'd upload the 100x100 image instead of the full pic it would look even better. :)

> I'm saying that listing the browser's IP in your graphic isn't dangerous, but
> it is mean spirited.

How is displaying one stat different from displaying another?

In fact, it's a cheap imitation of THE MOST POPULAR FREE SIGNATURE ON THE INTERNET

> The graphic doesn't advertise BOINC statistics it advertises your site -- and
> while that's nice, I don't see a connection to SETI.

It's my signature, and I fail to see the point of advertising boinc on the boinc forum. However, it should be noted that the very first story on my site is how to get your free boinc signature. So while the connection may not be obvious, it does exist

> ... and if one wishes to stop their machine from contacting yours, they can do
> so easily.

Agreed

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> > I'm saying that listing the browser's IP in your graphic isn't
> dangerous, but
> > it is mean spirited.
>
> How is displaying one stat different from displaying another?
>
> In fact, it's a cheap imitation of THE MOST
> POPULAR FREE SIGNATURE ON THE INTERNET

The danasoft page actually explains it pretty well. The explanation is in the left hand column, in red.

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> > hey Siran t' T'Khasi i like your Avatar :P
> >
> > greetings
> >
> If he'd upload the 100x100 image instead of the full pic it would look even
> better. :)
>

Don't have the 100x100.... >:-|

L8R....

T'Khasi Time: Saturday, 26 March 2005 - 04:22 PM --800 (Pacific Standard Time)

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

> > hey Siran t' T'Khasi i like your Avatar :P
> >
> > greetings
> >
> If he'd upload the 100x100 image instead of the full pic it would look even
> better. :)
>

Found then, downloaded them and changed the one here. Ok? Better? >:-)

L8R....

T'Khasi Time: Saturday, 26 March 2005 - 07:02 PM --800 (Pacific Standard Time)

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

> > > hey Siran t' T'Khasi i like your Avatar :P
> > >
> > > greetings
> > >
> > If he'd upload the 100x100 image instead of the full pic it would look
> even
> > better. :)
> >
>
> Found then, downloaded them and changed the one here. Ok? Better? >:-)

How many times do I have to tell you, the right tools for the right job.

> > > > ....
> > > ....
> > ....
> How many times do I have to tell you, the right tools for the right job.
>

At least when I deleted old g-mails, I kept the ones with attachments. Never delete those, unless I know I have the attachment on my HD. >:-)

L8R....

T'Khasi Time: Saturday, 26 March 2005 - 09:15 PM --800 (Pacific Standard Time)

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

> ... it might be wise to add www.BrainSmashR.com to our hosts files, and point
> it to 127.0.0.1.
>
Good idea. Set. It also immediately blocks his signature. Another thing my Moz doesn't have to take care of. :)

>Here's a hint Einstein
I wonder what he would've said if Einstein had been of black origin. ;)

Anyway, I am sure someone can download the php sig he is using and disect it. All I see is that he's just showing the IP address you personally are using. At the same time it's logged daily into thousands of servers all over the world, willingly or not. So he shows he can copy a sig from someone else and make it work on his own server, so what?

As long as he keeps putting us on his ignore list, he'll soon run out of ignores and might leave. Or hold hands with dyslexia over at Einstein. ;)

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> Anyway, I am sure someone can download the php sig he is using and disect it.
> All I see is that he's just showing the IP address you personally are using.
> At the same time it's logged daily into thousands of servers all over the
> world, willingly or not. So he shows he can copy a sig from someone else and
> make it work on his own server, so what?

1) No where have I claimed to be a coder so bashing me for editing code distrubited freely all over the net is a waste of time.

2) Generating traffic is what the internet is all about. EVERY site that allows signature files willingly allowed me to use my own signature file. So it's not against the will of any site owner if my signature exist on his/her site.

3) Want to see my code? Sure, just remember the awe and fear it holds as you laugh your way through the much. I have nothing to hide from hate mongers and It's free :) I wrote an .htaccess RewriteRule to call signature3.php when signature.gif is asked for.

You might reconize SETIwapstats in there too, but I commented that out of the display because when SETI goes down the whole sig goes down. Just replace the ****'s with your user ID. It's set to retreive 2 different users since I run boinc on another PC across town.

Select what and where you want to display at the bottom and it's shown on this image http://www.brainsmashr.com/signature.png

What else can I say other than if you run a Nuke flavored site I'm 99.9% sure this will work straight out of the box on your server too.

Wow, it didn't like that.....Well. I can't post php on the forum, but here is a link to a verson less than 60 Days old :)

http://nukecops.com/postp170016.html#170016

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Has anyone noticed how BrainSmashR refuses to comment on what he calls "lies without proof" [not verbatim]? We've showed proof of his character, and nothing from him. He selectively chooses what to respond to, such as posts about that ridiculous, inappropriate graphic he displays.

Well, BrainSmashR? Respond! Show us your proof that we are wrong and you are right! "The truth is out there...." And, we know and have shown that truth. Are you afraid of the truth? Are you afraid that others here won't respond to you if they know the truth about you? I see people here talking about you, but not with you. What does that say?

T'Khasi Time: Sunday, 27 March 2005 - 09:52 AM --800 (Pacific Standard Time)

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath