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Message 89277 - Posted: 22 Mar 2005, 22:00:38 UTC

I've been using Seti@Home for years.. literally 31,534 hours on just MY computer. I like the little data analysizer and everything. I just got the Boinc software and I'm not so sure about it. Sure the Seti servers are clogged and I haven't been able to download any work (atleast it looks that way) but without a download, I'm not really sure what I'm in for as far as using.

3/22/2005 4:58:48 PM|http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/|Scheduler RPC to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi failed
3/22/2005 4:58:48 PM|http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/|No schedulers responded
3/22/2005 4:58:48 PM|http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/|Deferring communication with project for 3 minutes and 11 seconds


Those are the messages I'm getting. I'm assuming it's all on their end. But without an analyser I don't know if I'm going to "like" this software. That may sound lame, but I'd like someone using Boinc to give me a little run down on how the software "works" when it's actually working. :)

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Message 89282 - Posted: 22 Mar 2005, 22:04:36 UTC - in response to Message 89277.  


> Those are the messages I'm getting. I'm assuming it's all on their end. But
> without an analyser I don't know if I'm going to "like" this software. That
> may sound lame, but I'd like someone using Boinc to give me a little run down
> on how the software "works" when it's actually working. :)
>
>

Urza why not just look at the home page.. You will see that Berkeley is having power issues. Little tough to upload or download WU when the servers are down.


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Message 89285 - Posted: 22 Mar 2005, 22:08:24 UTC - in response to Message 89277.  

> Those are the messages I'm getting. I'm assuming it's all on their end. But
> without an analyser I don't know if I'm going to "like" this software. That
> may sound lame, but I'd like someone using Boinc to give me a little run down
> on how the software "works" when it's actually working. :)

The best way to test Boinc atm is attaching to one of the other projects.
Einstein, ClimatePrediction and ProteinPrediction are up and alive and accept new users.
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For questions about Boinc look in the BOINC-Wiki
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Message 89476 - Posted: 23 Mar 2005, 2:06:29 UTC - in response to Message 89277.  

> I've been using Seti@Home for years.. literally 31,534 hours on just MY
> computer. I like the little data analysizer and everything. I just got the
> Boinc software and I'm not so sure about it. Sure the Seti servers are clogged
> and I haven't been able to download any work (atleast it looks that way) but
> without a download, I'm not really sure what I'm in for as far as using.
>
> 3/22/2005 4:58:48 PM|http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/|Scheduler RPC to
> http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi failed
> 3/22/2005 4:58:48 PM|http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/|No schedulers responded
> 3/22/2005 4:58:48 PM|http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/|Deferring communication
> with project for 3 minutes and 11 seconds
>
>
> Those are the messages I'm getting. I'm assuming it's all on their end. But
> without an analyser I don't know if I'm going to "like" this software. That
> may sound lame, but I'd like someone using Boinc to give me a little run down
> on how the software "works" when it's actually working. :)
>
These indicate that there is a communications problem of some sort. Since everyone has been having this difficulty recently, I would say that is on the server side. It should clear up in a little while. Meanwhile, Paul D. Buck has done a bit of work on documentation, the link is at the end of my sig.


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Message 89483 - Posted: 23 Mar 2005, 2:16:20 UTC

This BOINC thing will not give me credit for my past work. I now have profiles that show up for SkyFrog. Is there a fix for this? Or will all my workfrom the "Classic" SETI just get lost?

I will find ET !!!!


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Message 89519 - Posted: 23 Mar 2005, 3:06:54 UTC - in response to Message 89483.  

> This BOINC thing will not give me credit for my past work. I now
> have profiles that show up for SkyFrog. Is there a fix for this?
> Or will all my workfrom the "Classic" SETI just get lost?
> I will find ET !!!!

Are you serious? Classic SETI packets aren't counted?
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Message 89535 - Posted: 23 Mar 2005, 3:23:13 UTC - in response to Message 89519.  

> > This BOINC thing will not give me credit for my past work. I now
> > have profiles that show up for SkyFrog. Is there a fix for this?
> > Or will all my workfrom the "Classic" SETI just get lost?
> > I will find ET !!!!
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> Are you serious? Classic SETI packets aren't counted?
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our seti classic numbers will be preserved...they will not however be added in with the boinc stats...

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Message 89552 - Posted: 23 Mar 2005, 3:39:45 UTC - in response to Message 89483.  

> This BOINC thing will not give me credit for my past work. I now have profiles
> that show up for SkyFrog. Is there a fix for this? Or will all my workfrom the
> "Classic" SETI just get lost?
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> I will find ET !!!!
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You created a new account rather than transferring you old S@H account. To make the update, make certain that you keep the email addresses in both synchronized. Or, you can change the BOINC S@H account to a different email address from the classic, and activate the classic account (this only works if the classic account was created early enough - I believe before May 14th 2004). If you no longer have access to the email address as of this date, you will have to change the classic email address. If you no longer have the classic password and your email address has changed, you are SOL.


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Message 89556 - Posted: 23 Mar 2005, 3:41:55 UTC

One of the reasons that they are not being added is because they are different projects...Just like now, Francs, Deutchmarks and Lira cannot be converted into Euros, neither can the Classic WUs be exchanged for cobblestones (credits)... the currency is no longer "valid tender". The nice thing about WUs is you can still display them, and not converting them just means a little less direct bragging rights, you don't actually lose your livelyhood over it.

I was idsappointed too... my WUs took 100+ hours the first year I crunched Classic, but times change...

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Message 90275 - Posted: 24 Mar 2005, 7:38:53 UTC - in response to Message 89277.  
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Message 90276 - Posted: 24 Mar 2005, 7:40:55 UTC

I don't like this new Bionic at all.

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Message 90389 - Posted: 24 Mar 2005, 15:10:59 UTC - in response to Message 90276.  

> I don't like this new Bionic at all.
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People didn't Windows when it first came out either, now some couldn't ever think of doing DOS commands!
Programs evolve or they stop, especially Scientific ones.

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Message 90418 - Posted: 24 Mar 2005, 16:34:14 UTC - in response to Message 90389.  
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> > I don't like this new Bionic at all.
> >
> > :(
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> People didn't Windows when it first came out either, now some couldn't ever
> think of doing DOS commands!
> Programs evolve or they stop, especially Scientific ones.
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People still don't like Winders, but we are somewhat forced to use it..

Personally I like BOINC..


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Message 90432 - Posted: 24 Mar 2005, 16:59:58 UTC - in response to Message 90389.  

> People didn't Windows when it first came out either, now some couldn't ever
> think of doing DOS commands!

Bizarrely enough, when Win95 came out, and all the way up through Win98, Microsoft compiled a "progman.exe", which is the interface for Windows 3.1 and back. I guess this was for users who just couldn't stand the changes inherent in Explorer. You could get into the system.ini file and replace explorer.exe with progman.exe in the "Shell=" entry, and Win 95 would look like Win 3.1.

Also, on most incarnations of the install disk from Microsoft, there was a folder called "oldmsdos" or some such that had many of the MSDOS commands old guys like me used to use.

By the way, the shell could be another executable as well. I read about a guy who set it to "sol.exe" because he felt that Windows was only good for playing solitaire. I tried it. It works.
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Message 90551 - Posted: 24 Mar 2005, 22:37:25 UTC

I like BOINC, meself. The idea of being able to be involved in several projects at once through one interface appeals to me. And at least one upcoming project is taking that to the next level by using several different applications through one project.

All new stuff takes time to sort the bugs out. I've been using BOINC almost since the start and now the only reason I'm still mostly using classic SETI is to try and get to 1000 WUs before they pull the plug. After one or the other, I'm on BOINC to stay.

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Message 90573 - Posted: 24 Mar 2005, 23:53:35 UTC


I'm sure it will get better, there are good people
putting a lot of work into it.

It's disappointing that we had to take a step backwards first though.

One button,"off and on" just like the old Seti, would have made it a deffinite step foward overall.


[oh and the detailed notched red bar on the graph shouldn't have beed downgraded]
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