being a part of seti boinc is a voluntary thing...seti classic is still there for those who want a more predictable experience...but as for me...i find the whole process of working out the kinks of seti boinc to be fascinating...although i know the folks in charge of making this project work are probably very tired of the struggle...that is the way projects like this go...but with this one we feel some of the frustration too because we are getting to participate in a project that is still being tested...it's not yet ready for prime time...but it will work...and one day boinc will be the only choice for seti@home...the program is getting the kinks worked out with the help of alot of fine, patient people...people who are giving boinc the real world testing it needs before it becomes the only "seti@home"...it's okay to be disappointed that there have been a few setbacks with seti boinc recently...but bitterness is seen for what it is...i'm gonna take my ball back and go home.

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PROUD TO BE TFFE!

> > Scott; Been with Seti since 2000. Have about 38k classic Seti WU'S and
> use the program as backup when Boinc is down or there is no work. This weekend
> as my Boinc work files dry up I am removing Seti Boinc from my machines and
> doing a clean install of another project. Any veterans of Seti/Seti Boinc
> have horror stories that they can share about no work, crashed servers, can't
> connect, or hardware upgrades that take forever. This latest event is why I
> am voting with my feet. The Boinc Berkeley staff has walked away from
> hundreds of thousands of loyal crunchers knowing that the current hardware
> will not be able to produce WU's to cover the demand over the weekend. Added
> to this, the project will be down on Monday for an indefinate period while the
> upgrades take place. I hope the administrators of my new distributed
> computing project have learned some good lessons from Berkeley, as Berkeley
> hasn't.
>
> Best wishes to you all, crunch on (got work?)
>
>
I am also running classic as a backup. I have run Seti@home always so I am putting my faith in the Seti staff. I hope they can do this db migration. I think if this flops and they cant speed up validators and generate work units they will loose alot of crunchers.

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"These are the days that try men's souls. The sunshine soldier and the summer patriot..."

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seti classic is still there for those who want a more predictable experience...but as for me...i find the whole process of working out the kinks of seti boinc to be fascinating...

<li>Actually, I'm getting the best of both worlds. If I was able to get a WU from the server, I'd be figuring out if 4.13 is OS X.2.8-Kosher. I've got no problem being in beta - I enjoy it as long as I'm not sitting around for hours on end waiting and waiting and waiting for new data.
It's when you get deferred for 23 hours 12 minutes that it's worth jumping back to Classic.</li><li>To all you WU-hogs: Don't.
Just because you've got 5 machines doesn't mean that you've gotta have all the WUs under the sun. Some of us crunch on a day-by-day basis, and that means our caches aren't a week's worth (mine's only eight hours)
Just leave some work for us. Please. Okay?</li>

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> "These are the days that try men's souls. The sunshine soldier and the summer
> patriot..."
>
>
This is very true. No matter what happens I will try staying with seti@home as a loyal cruncher.

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Hey guys and gals,

what's the problem? If your BOINC client runs dry, fire up SETIDriver and you're in business in no time. If BOINC gets back online just let SETIDriver run dry (set cache size to 0) and let it crunch the rest in parallel to BOINC, simple as that!
My method to keep the client busy is another, see signature:

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Aloha, Uli

> It's when you get deferred for 23 hours 12 minutes that it's worth
> jumping back to Classic.

Why would that be?

There are at least two easy solutions to this:

1) cache a couple of days of work.

2) pick up another project. If you like SETI best, give it 90% of the time.

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> You take things too seriously. And no, you're not better because you have
> more work units done.

The part that amazes me is when someone says "I'll quit and save $100 on my electric bill" -- when the whole idea is to use excess computing power that would have otherwise been wasted.

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>>It's when you get deferred for 23 hours 12 minutes that it's worth jumping back to Classic.
>There are at least two easy solutions to this:
>1) cache a couple of days of work.
Have you been able to get any work? I see 38 WUs "ready to send", but I keep getting deferments as if it were all that the servers doled out.

>2) pick up another project.
Can't - I'm trying to get at least one WU downloaded and running with BOINC 4.13. See here for why.

Once I get that one WU and crunch it (regardless of whether or not it's a successful crunch), I'll latch onto another project (Pirates maybe, but CPDN and folding are out) while SETI's wells run dry...
In the meantime I've been able to reach the 25 WU mark in Classic. That's a fine enough number for me to be able to say "Goodbye" to Classic comfortably.

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I have also converted back to Classic SETI, since my machines can't get any WUs.

People who go back to Classic are silly. Classic does *no* new science. The same work units are rehashed over a dozen times just to keep crunchers happy. People who go back to Classic are more worried about credit numbers than science.

If you can't get Boinc Set units, attatck to Predictor! Or Climate or Einstein!

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> People who go back to Classic are silly.


...

Don't "..." me. I gave my reasons. If you think rehashing the same old work units and doing *no* new science is a good use of your computer, then go right ahead. I'll call you silly.

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> Don't "..." me.

And people who try to order others around on a public forum are just as silly! :)

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Okay, I'll alter my statement:

Please don't "..." me.

Still silly.

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Paul, and whom ever else ...

I have a set of Macintosh directions with illustrations, It works for Panther, and likely will also work with earlier OS-X versions.

Just a thought ... http://boinc-doc.net/index.php if you follow them down, somewhere around step #9 there is a 25 or so step process...

And the reason I know they work is I started fresh install on my Mac ... worked for me ...

you might try them...
one side note though, no graphics for Mac yet ...

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> People who go back to Classic are silly. Classic does *no* new science. The
> same work units are rehashed over a dozen times just to keep crunchers happy.
> People who go back to Classic are more worried about credit numbers than
> science.
>
> If you can't get Boinc Set units, attatck to Predictor! Or Climate or
> Einstein!
>

The workunits crunched on BOINC SETI and Classic are not different, Classic is simply sending them out to more than 4 people.

Also, Einstein accounts are not yet open, so this is not an option for most people. CPDN should not be run on anything slower than an 800mhz machine. Predictor has had some trouble generating enough workunits per day (they are gradually increasing this number), so late day crunchers often are running dry. Thus, Classic is a reasonable fallback for some current SETI BOINC computers.

A reasonable fallback for people who only care about credits.

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> A reasonable fallback for people who only care about credits.
>
We get the picture you have made your stupid point in your last seven posts you are all about the science and credits dont mean shit to you. Pat yourself on the back. I hope they get science out of my effort and I get shitloads of credits silly isnt it.

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> A reasonable fallback for people who only care about credits.
>

SETI@home is splitting from the same tapes, that have never been distributed before, at the same time for both the BOINC-version and "classic", and both clients does similar crunching so expects the same signals detected. Both versions also uses redundancy to make sure the results is "correct" and not corrupted in any way, but for various reasons, some of them technical, the "classic" version gets more results per wu.

So, if someone can't get wu from the BOINC-version, and can't run any of the other projects, why shouldn't they run the "classic" version while waiting for more work?