Hi

Rom build the 4.66 of the Boinc manager today.
I have to say its a dev release again so use at your own risk.

Its Alpha state

But it looks real great, some bug fixes.
It runs smoother and the progress bar is now working.

Great work Rom.

greetz from cold Germany
Mike

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Could it be, that in this alpha releases the benchmark is lower then in the public version?

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> Could it be, that in this alpha releases the benchmark is lower then in the
> public version?
>

Due to bug-fix in benchmark in v4.5x the Dhrystone (integer) benchmark should give lower scores on windows.

To install it, do u just install it over it, or u have to unistall it them install the new one ?

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> To install it, do u just install it over it, or u have to unistall it them
> install the new one ?
>

You must uninstall v4.1x before installing v4.6x.

Since v4.6x is still alpha, and can be a new build every 1-2 days, wouldn't recommend installing at this time. But if you do install, don't complain if your computer goes up in smoke or something...

Running very well on XP and 98SE machines here, well done devs. When using the select computer feature the messages tab can now be viewd without the manager crashing. Also the messages complete properly when benchmarking at the first restart. BOINC still needs to be closed manually on both machines before shutting down and I would like to see a drop down list for select computer that retains previously entered names\ip addresses, auto complete would be even better :)

I was with the beta programme for as long as it lasted and have used the alpha versions and have never witnessed any smoke...yet.

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Why has the version jumped from 4.1x to 4.6x ? sorry if its a dumb question but im using 4.19 and cant (havent experienced) any problems? so where can you get this alpha dn why would you?

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> Why has the version jumped from 4.1x to 4.6x ? sorry if its a dumb question
> but im using 4.19 and cant (havent experienced) any problems? so where can you
> get this alpha dn why would you?
>
The 4.6x versions (newly built not yet tested) are those being trialed by the alpha team and are not for public release because there is a small risk that they could be unstable and damage your installation. So not recommended unless you are willing to uncritically accept a hard disk wipeout.

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> > Why has the version jumped from 4.1x to 4.6x ? sorry if its a dumb
> question
> > but im using 4.19 and cant (havent experienced) any problems? so where
> can you
> > get this alpha dn why would you?
> >
> The 4.6x versions (newly built not yet tested) are those being trialed by the
> alpha team and are not for public release because there is a small risk that
> they could be unstable and damage your installation. So not recommended unless
> you are willing to uncritically accept a hard disk wipeout.
>
ok fair enuf lol HARD DISK WIPEOUT!! NICE!

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> > > Why has the version jumped from 4.1x to 4.6x ? sorry if its a dumb
> > question
> > > but im using 4.19 and cant (havent experienced) any problems? so
> where
> > can you
> > > get this alpha dn why would you?
> > >
> > The 4.6x versions (newly built not yet tested) are those being trialed by
> the
> > alpha team and are not for public release because there is a small risk
> that
> > they could be unstable and damage your installation. So not recommended
> unless
> > you are willing to uncritically accept a hard disk wipeout.
> >
> ok fair enuf lol HARD DISK WIPEOUT!! NICE!
>
Hey you got your sig working, well done. Took me a lot longer that that :)

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Duplicate post. Sorry

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Boinc V7.2.42
Win7 i5 3.33G 4GB, GTX470

I installed 4.66 a few hour ago and it seems to be compatible with my system.

This good news since the last build that worked for me was 4.56. The other 4.6x builds would crash my computer on start up and required that I remove it from the safe mode.

That's the fun part of messing around with Alpha software.

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Win7 i5 3.33G 4GB, GTX470

> Why has the version jumped from 4.1x to 4.6x ? sorry if its a dumb question
> but im using 4.19 and cant (havent experienced) any problems? so where can you
> get this alpha dn why would you?

The version number changed to make a separate "track" for the new BOINC Manager. It is run by people that want to try it, or for those that are in the Alpha test group. When they see a failure they can contact the appropriate developers and let them know that there is a problem.

Software is effectively untestable so the only way that we can find many problems is to actually fly it as it would be flown in the open world. Even the most tested software has to go through stages of wider and wider use to see where it breaks.

One of the reasons that computers like mainframes, Apple's Macintosh and UNIX workstations are more reliable is that the hardware used is constrained. In the Windows world, well, the number of options as to what you will use as hardware is about as wide open as it can be. And some companies make better stuff, but people tend to buy less expensive stuff and well, we know the results of that ...

Anyway, the idea is to find the problems and fix them and move on with life. In the not to distant future, we will all be using the new stuff, but I am confident that it will be a little better than the version I tried a couple weeks ago ...

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Hi devs,

I just installed the new version and found a small but nasty bug: when service installation was selected, the installer requires a User Group called "Users". the problem is that in non-english versions of windows, the group is named differently, i.e. "Benutzer". So I had to use a workaround to install. would be great if that could be solved in one of the next versions. ;)

Petrus

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> One of the reasons that computers like mainframes, Apple's Macintosh and UNIX
> workstations are more reliable is that the hardware used is constrained. In
> the Windows world, well, the number of options as to what you will use as
> hardware is about as wide open as it can be.

Oh dear, Paul. You are so wrong again. ;)

Windows is limited to x86 processors and compatibles - and not even all of those. UNIX/Linux runs on virtually every processor available to mankind. Reliability is a result of design concepts, programming skills and active de-bugging programs. It is unfortunate that Microsoft's commercial strategy precludes just about any of those. :(

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Be lucky

Neil

> would be great if that could be solved in one of the next
> versions. ;)
>

Already reported by one of the alpha-testers, not sure if a possible fix will be included in next build or not, this depends on how many other bugs there's still left to fix, and whatever bug Rom Walton attacks 1st...

Anyway, v4.66 at last fixed the problem with displaying %done for anyone not using . as decimal-symbol. :)

edit - Rom removed the user-group again from service-install 10 minutes ago, so should already be fixed in next build. :)

> Windows is limited to x86 processors and compatibles

You seem to hav forgotten about all the various addons that are available.

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> > Windows is limited to x86 processors and compatibles
>
> You seem to hav forgotten about all the various addons that are available.
>
Not at all. ;) They are used on UNIX/Linux machines, too. :P Add to that all the specialised data acquisition, scientific and research hardware, there is a vast array of hardware out there being used with UNIX/Linux systems.

Incidentally, this is why there is currently a disparity in performance between the Windows and Linux BOINC clients. The Linux compiler has to take account of the wide range of target platforms and produce code that will run on the target. By taking some of the decisions for the compiler, it is possible to produce much more efficient code for a particular target.

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Neil

>
> > One of the reasons that computers like mainframes, Apple's Macintosh and UNIX
> > workstations are more reliable is that the hardware used is constrained. In
> > the Windows world, well, the number of options as to what you will use as
> > hardware is about as wide open as it can be.
>
> Oh dear, Paul. You are so wrong again. ;)
>
> Windows is limited to x86 processors and compatibles - and not even all of
> those. UNIX/Linux runs on virtually every processor available to mankind.
> Reliability is a result of design concepts, programming skills and active
> de-bugging programs. It is unfortunate that Microsoft's commercial strategy
> precludes just about any of those. :(
>
>

That is not true as NT was available for Alpha, MIPS R4000, and PowerPC processors. On the hardware side, as Paul was pointing out the x86 platform is basically a free-for-all. Where some of the other processors had/have a tighter grip on who can supply aftermarket parts.